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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by erelde »

dragonwriter wrote: post #58
srssays wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London is special because there are a lot of Apple stores here (I count 7). That's more than many European countries have. The calculus of owning a Mac changes drastically if you live near an Apple store. If my Mac has a problem, I can book an appointment at the Apple store, real person will try to fix it, and I can have it back ASAP. The customer service is half the price.

> London is special because there are a lot of Apple stores here (I count 7). That's more than many European countries have. Probably because London has more people than most European countries.

Whaa ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...

Yep, it's almost true. London 8.5M. If you count all 50 "countries" (some are a joke though) it ranks between the 21st and 22nd.

Though in my city (Paris 11M, I think), similarly sized, there's only 2 Apple stores.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by k__ »

pluma wrote: post #60
k__ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. There are many ways to leverage your Web knowledge, you don't have to start from zero. But it's still a chore to do mobile development. I want to build a iOS app, because 80% of the potential customers are iPhone users, but in the future I want to use as much of the code on Android. So its Hybrid or React-Native. So I thought, well Expo sounds nice, and gives me a Web like dev experience without the need to set…

Oh, absolutely. For some reason Apple seems to have filled Microsoft's role as the big bad legacy bad guy with vendor lock-in. Is it even possible to run macOS in a VM on non-Apple hardware with a non-macOS host yet? Microsoft provides free VM images for every OS and browser version you might want to test against, Google provides the Android devkit that works cross-platform. But if you want to target macOS or iOS it…

Is it a problem, yes? I read a few blog-posts yesterday that explained how to get Mac OS Sierra running on VirtualBox on Windows. Well, it's only 16€, so I will try it next week.

It seems like MS thinks their only way to win something in the "mobile war" is pushing PWAs.

And maybe they're right. Most people use the iTunes or Play Stores. They need to get devs off these platforms and show them that their tools are the way to go if you don't want pay taxes to Apple or Google.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by tclancy »

ihsw2 wrote: post #69

Is gender and ethnic background of developers relevant?

Of course it is. Homogeneity is dangerous for an ecosystem and even if it weren't, not all apps, websites, products of code are consumed by straight white guys living on the US coasts. A mix of perspectives is a healthy thing.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by gtrubetskoy »

> "We estimate that 16.8 million of these people are professional developers and university-level students."

I wonder if it is relatively safe to infer from this that there are ~16.8 million developers in the world? Are there developers who never visit stackoverflow? I'd expect that number to be higher, even though 16.8M is a lot.

Also if you take all "years since learning to code" up to "9-10", they add up to 50.6%, which means that the developer population doubles every ~10 years. Though I have heard elsewhere (I think it was a talk by "uncle Bob") that the developer population doubles every 5 years, not 10.

Edit: Ha, interestingly his data was also based on stackoverflow: http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2014/06/20/MyLawn.html ...now does this mean the rate of growth is slowing?

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by hoschicz »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #64
raarts wrote: post #47

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Apple pretty much dominates the startup scene in the NL as far as I can tell.

I would say the startup scene represents a very small portion of professional programmers.

10% according to the survey

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by kbart »

m0sa wrote: post #65
flurdy wrote: post #56

43% prefer tabs? Get out! [ http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/#work-tabs-or-... ]

The problematic ones are the 19.3% who prefer both...

I choose between tabs and spaces depending on existing code base, but prefer neither (or both). When writing code from scratch, it depends on language and text editor used.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by parroquiano »

m0sa wrote: post #65
flurdy wrote: post #56

43% prefer tabs? Get out! [ http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/#work-tabs-or-... ]

The problematic ones are the 19.3% who prefer both...

On the contrary, those of us who prefer both are the smart ones[0]

[0] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmartTabs

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by shagie »

kbart wrote: post #57
SiVal wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

Developers that attend conferences in USA are very small and biased subset of total developers worldwide. For vast majority of developers attending a conference in USA would cost few to several months worth of salary, so it's no brainer. Not to mention bullish USA border controls that makes people (especially non-white) think twice before traveling. I haven't seen many developers using Macs outside of USA and few Wes…

The big / national tech conferences - yes. They are expensive. There are many local or regional ones that are much less expensive.

I'm heading to a regional one in August that is registered as a nonprofit and is less than a week's salary to attend (and I work in the public sector in the Midwest so don't think that this is big left cost salary).

That said, even with a strong Microsoft bend to many session technologies, macs still are several times more frequent than non-mac.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by tclancy »

12389234 wrote: post #13

Javascript and Java reign supreme. No trendy wanky languages like the ones mentioned on here all the time will ever be up there. Companies just pretend they "use go" to attract the trendy people here, when in reality "use go" means "there was a project once that we used go for" and 99% of their code is javascript and java.

Sure, and the you from 15 years ago would have written that about VBScript vs Python/ Ruby/ Whatever.
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