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Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by reckoner2 »

markwaldron wrote: post #10

"Their sister, Abby Rockefeller Mauze, known as “Babs,” died in 1976." All the brothers have their contributions listed, but she doesn't? According to Wikipedia, Abby Rockefeller Mauze preferred to stay out of the spotlight, but was still a benefactor of the MOMA, YWCA, NY Hospital, NY Zoological Society, and the Asia Society.

All of the Rockefeller money was distributed by John D. Rockefeller Sr. directly to his children and grandchildren. While progressive in some aspects, he held the common at the time view that business matters were best left to men. This resulted in the men of the family receiving sizable ($billions) gifts, while the women mainly lived on allowances, and much smaller gifts. I'm sure this is part of it.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by TempOSfan »

kolanos wrote: post #4

"Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 4…

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders"

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by johansch »

kelnos wrote: post #163
johansch wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I prefer just to point out the hypocrisy surrounding getting acclaims for "philantrophy" in the US. Seems like even those who have the most give out back less to others than they would have done just by the regular taxation laws, living in a typical European country.

Depending on tax law throughout his life, and his ability to find loopholes, that $900M was _on top of_ what he paid in tax. So unless you have evidence that he paid no or very low taxes, what you're saying just doesn't hold water. Not to mention that you're comparing the donations of a single person to the collective net worth of 200 people. More fair would be to compare that $900M to David Rockefeller's net worth,…

Anyone in the US is paying very low taxes compared to what "high-income" tax payers pay in e.g. Scandinavian countries like Sweden. The treshold for "high income" is (simplified) at about $80k per year.

Stock option profits are taxed as income as well. (In Sweden we also have to pay social security fees on our stock option profits - the end result typically being at least a 62% taxation level on that income.).

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by reckoner2 »

agentgt wrote: post #132
kevando wrote: post #117

>In 2008 Rockefeller gave $100 million to his alma mater, Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I have to agree with Malcom Gladwell on this... Of all the ways to donate $100M, OF ALL THE WAYS

I have to agree. That amount of money could have greatly helped a majority of the black historic colleges that so badly need the money. Of course if you think that is bad someone recently just gave $400 million (more covered here: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/05/400-million-g... ). Even Gates gave $15 million circa 1996. This is was of course before he went into full philanthropy mode [1]. I'm sure he…

I agree that the $400 million seems ridiculous. But it's interesting that you mention black colleges, because David Rockefeller's grandfather started the General Education Board [0] - one of the first and most important factors in developing black education in the United States.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by kelnos »

iliketosleep wrote: post #76
Florin_Andrei wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why globalization must necessarily mean total domination by the "elites". Yes, it's a significant risk factor in that scenario, but the two don't come in a package, bound together with epoxy. It would only happen if we continue to refuse to address the issue of inequality - this time on a global scale. Some form of globalization is actually the best case scenario, the golden path for this world. It must i…

i don't think inequality can be solved by globalization. if you look at the poor countries, you'll find a multitude of structural problems. until these structural problems are dealt with, globalization is likely to feed corruption. i agree that globalization would reduce the risk of global conflict - there would only be one side. thus, if the wrong people were in power there would be no way to fight them. that's scar…

No one (including the post you're replying to) is suggesting that globalization can solve inequality. It solves a bunch of other things, presents some new challenges, and makes the consequences of inequality worse.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by amyjess »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #15
kolanos wrote: post #4

"Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 4…

After spending some time around people from various anti-science/government/vaccination circles I realized that if the New World Order is what they describe it is, then I'd love to join it. At least those NWO conspirators seem to have a clue.

I've come to this same conclusion as well. If the global elite is, as the populist crowd claims, trying to enforce LGBT rights, pro-science public policy, representation of minorities, etc., then I enthusiastically give my full support to the global elite.

As time goes on, the anti-elite movement comes off more and more as a pack of vandals.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by kelnos »

gph wrote: post #142
Florin_Andrei wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But you're describing some kind of theoretical ideal world. We don't live in that world. Everything is "theoretical" and "ideal" and "impossible" before it actually happens. Electronic computers were an impossibility to James Watt era engineers. Steam engines were an impossibility to the architects of the Parthenon. Raising large stone edifices was an impossibility to hunter-gatherers roaming the savanna. Yet all t…

So you're telling me I should support TPP, globalization efforts, and the subsequent concentration of economic and political power because you have a good feeling that humanity is heading in the right direction and we can invent some effective control on inequality because nothing is impossible the same way we invented the electronic computer?

Oh c'mon, principle of charity, please. That is not at all what the parent said or even implied. It is fact that humanity is heading in the right direction over the long term (based on tracking standard of living and the standard deviation of such). It is also fact that there are bumps and regressions along the way. We shouldn't support the TPP; it sucks (the only good thing Trump has done so far is pull out of it). We shouldn't support the concentration of economic and political power.

We should support things that make sense and promote the reduction of income inequality. That need not be at odds with globalization, though many businesspeople tend to push it that way since it's cheaper and good for them.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by reckoner2 »

mrtri wrote: post #166

rockefeller is one of the families that created,control, own the federal reserve http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-... this cartel is behind many wars, false flags to make the government need more money for weapons, so they would borrow it from the federal reserve.

Globalresearch also publishes 9/11 truther articles and chem-trail articles. They are not a valid source.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by pdxandi »

notsofastmister wrote: post #74

I am a bit more on the pro-conspiracy side of the spectrum but good sources are important. According to the New York Times in 2002, David Rockefeller was the banker of the worst leaders of the world while expanding internationally the Chase Manhattan Bank. "He spent much of his career at Chase doing business with tyrants -- paying homage to oil-rich dictators, sitting through long meetings with the Chinese perpetrato…

Just wondering if you've read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. You may feel better knowing that not all of these conspiracies are crazy. Though reading about economic hit men may make you more paranoid; it's a dark, ugly world.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by elastic_church »

lovich wrote: post #82
elastic_church wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The high tax nations should figure out how to fund themselves more competitively. Many low tax countries have democratically elected representatives that looked at their budget and realized "no we dont need to fund roads and schools by taking a piece of other peoples productivity". Despite any pressure from high tax nations they simply realized they dont need it.

For my own curiosity could you point out a single low tax country that has well maintained infrastructure?

Well I am more so talking about income taxes, although I didn't specify that is what this thread was about beforehand. Many places have a passive tax on some aspect, such as tourism, have high fees for certain businesses such as incorporation and licensing fees, and have also nationalized a particular industry.

In any case, Cayman's infrastructure was decent compared to other neighboring islands and countries. Since you asked.

Indeed many countries are selling incorporation services to stuff government coffers.

The point is that where there is a will there is a way for a governing institution to fund itself, and it by no means offers any solution for countries that are overbudget and uncompetitive in this front.

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