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Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by icelancer »

kolanos wrote: post #4

"Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 4…

Rich people like to hang out with other rich people. People enjoy shared backgrounds. That explains 95%+ of the "conspiracies," as David alludes to.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by Dowwie »

My family (incl german wirehaired pointer) got to enjoy Little Long Pond in Seal Harbor because of David Rockefeller. The Rockefellers own a tremendous estate in Mount Desert Island.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by elastic_church »

digi_owl wrote: post #30
iliketosleep wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frightening is that he was actually proud of it - he really believed in it. I wonder how many other powerful families are working towards the "more integrated global political and economic structure", consolidating the power of the global elite. Good luck to everybody else... Edit to clarify: in an ideal world what he stands for is right. but we're not in an idea world. where there's power there's often corrup…

Reminds me of debating the whole EU mess. Yes, it is good for moving tangible products around as you have a predictable base of regulations around them. Moving services around gets iffy. Seen way too many companies use that to pack away profits in low tax nations while maintaining a persistent loss in "high" tax nations. This by spinning up a service company that bills for unspecified services. And moving workers aro…

The high tax nations should figure out how to fund themselves more competitively. Many low tax countries have democratically elected representatives that looked at their budget and realized "no we dont need to fund roads and schools by taking a piece of other peoples productivity". Despite any pressure from high tax nations they simply realized they dont need it.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by notsofastmister »

I am a bit more on the pro-conspiracy side of the spectrum but good sources are important.

According to the New York Times in 2002, David Rockefeller was the banker of the worst leaders of the world while expanding internationally the Chase Manhattan Bank.

"He spent much of his career at Chase doing business with tyrants -- paying homage to oil-rich dictators, sitting through long meetings with the Chinese perpetrators of the Cultural Revolution (an associate once handed over a suitcase with $50,000 in cash to the Chinese so Rockefeller could have a meeting with their ambassador), holding court with Soviet party bosses. The contacts often led to profitable deals for Chase. They benefited the ruling cliques in those countries. But in ways he is oblivious of even now, Rockefeller was soiled by his close embraces with these thugs. While the forces of democracy squared off with the forces of authoritarianism, Rockefeller was perpetually in the room with whoever happened to be in power."

That's enough for me to think he's a horrible monster, but what do I know, I'm just into conspiracy theories...

Between him and kissinger, it would be tough to figure out who knew more war criminals.

[0] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/books/review/david-rockefe...

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by bordercases »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #48
oh_sigh wrote: post #43

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If 100M people from Africa/ME showed up in Europe, you think this would be a good thing for the world?

Over a long period of time? Why not. America is nearly 100% immigrants.

Most of them were White Christians for the longest time. Are people of that even temperament that you can't see differences between them?

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by iliketosleep »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #58
iliketosleep wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frightening is that he was actually proud of it - he really believed in it. I wonder how many other powerful families are working towards the "more integrated global political and economic structure", consolidating the power of the global elite. Good luck to everybody else... Edit to clarify: in an ideal world what he stands for is right. but we're not in an idea world. where there's power there's often corrup…

I don't see why globalization must necessarily mean total domination by the "elites". Yes, it's a significant risk factor in that scenario, but the two don't come in a package, bound together with epoxy. It would only happen if we continue to refuse to address the issue of inequality - this time on a global scale. Some form of globalization is actually the best case scenario, the golden path for this world. It must i…

i don't think inequality can be solved by globalization. if you look at the poor countries, you'll find a multitude of structural problems. until these structural problems are dealt with, globalization is likely to feed corruption.

i agree that globalization would reduce the risk of global conflict - there would only be one side. thus, if the wrong people were in power there would be no way to fight them. that's scary.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by sokoloff »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #64
bostonpete wrote: post #55

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> All the brothers have their contributions listed, but she doesn't? Maybe related to this detail (also from Wikipedia)...? "Unlike her famous brothers, she always remained out of the public eye"

That doesn't mean that she didn't do anything. It doesn't even mean she didn't do anything worthy of note.

But it may mean that what she did do isn't well documented enough publicly for inclusion in Wikipedia.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by rosser »

intended wrote: post #38
teslabox wrote: post #26

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From the article: > Rockefeller upheld the family’s philanthropic tradition, giving away more than $900 million during his lifetime. In 1940, he joined the board of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, established in 1901 by his grandfather, and a decade later succeeded his father as board chairman, serving for 25 years. Rich people don't give money away no-strings-attached, they channel it for their purpo…

>When Flexner researched his report, many American medical schools were "proprietary", namely small trade schools owned by one or more doctors, unaffiliated with a college or university, and run to make a profit. A degree was typically awarded after only two years of study. Laboratory work and dissection were not necessarily required. Many of the instructors were local doctors teaching part-time, whose own training l…

> I mean, that's why we trust doctors, because the bar is that high.

Two thoughts:

1. The old joke, "What do you call the person who graduated from medical school at the bottom of their class?" "Doctor."

2. The ordeal of residency isn't about setting the bar "high", nearly so much as it's about, "well, I went through this shit, so you have to, too". (Source: I have several doctor friends. All of them think it's bullshit. All of them have been explicitly told that, in some form or fashion, by their colleagues, superiors, teachers, or otherwise.)

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by stanfordkid »

elastic_church wrote: post #65
iliketosleep wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frightening is that he was actually proud of it - he really believed in it. I wonder how many other powerful families are working towards the "more integrated global political and economic structure", consolidating the power of the global elite. Good luck to everybody else... Edit to clarify: in an ideal world what he stands for is right. but we're not in an idea world. where there's power there's often corrup…

Oh no deeply liquid markets that span borders, the horror Lets bring back a Europe with 27 different bond and stock markets in 27 different volatile currencies

It's more complex than that...

Debt is denominated in currencies ... so with the current system bad borrowing behavior by one member of the currency union (Greece) would lead to devaluation of the currency to other members of the union (Germany).

Having multiple currencies is okay as long as there is liquidity between them.

That being said, centralizing currency leads to economic growth as long as the money is well spent (investment) rather than evaporated (excessive social benefits)

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by kingkawn »

CriticalSection wrote: post #53

> The Osteopathic profession was the only group that was organized enough to survive the Medical Guild's purge of non-Rockefeller-approved approaches to medicine. What? The Medical Guild purged (almost) all of the quacks and snake oil salesman out of medicine, and aimed American medicine to be directed by the scientific method and biology. This was a good thing. You're right, most of the quacks, snake handlers, anti-…

they failed to make it be guided by scientific method, but rather taught the quacks that the only way forward was to use scientific terminology, and if they could do so propery would even be admitted deeper into medicine than they ever could've hoped before
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