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Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Thanks. (I wrote it!)

Ooh! I have a question. Do you know what the situation is in Seattle? Is it so odd, with water separating cities and neighborhoods, impacting traffic, and a corporate empire in the eastern part, that it's hard to make out? Would it have been easier to see the situation you describe decades ago?

Seattle's interesting. The traditionally more-affordable and more-diverse neighborhoods have been rapidly gentrifying, and are—for the most part—pushing minorities north and south.

I just found this interesting (and hideously formatted) PPT deck from the University of Washington that explores the topic further: http://faculty.washington.edu/morrill/papers/Gentrify.ppt

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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It seemed true in Washington DC. Northwest DC (Georgetown, tourist spots, etc) was considered better than Southeast DC - albeit recent real estate developments in the past couple years. Same thing with East Palo Alto although there has been some major improvement happening in that area. Can't be true for all though.

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Actually in most of the major US cities, the south side is bad. For example, SE DC, south side Chicago, south-central LA

Interesting. Applies to Boston too - to the north are the rapidly gentrifying yuppie suburbs of Cambridge, Somerville and Medford, while to the south are the more depressed areas of Roxbury, Dorchester and Mattapan. Same for the non-San Jose parts of Silicon Valley: Palo Alto and Mountain View are ritzier than neighboring Sunnyvale and Santa Clara. I don't know enough about San Jose itself to say, nor about San Franc…

The difference between Mountain View and Sunnyvale is negligible in comparison with the difference between Palo Alto and East Palo Alto though.

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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In China, the opposite. Coastal cities (in the east) are usually richer.

The OP was discussing the east side of cities, not cities on the east side of the country.

I can't speak for the other cities, but East Beijing actually is much wealthier than West Beijing.

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Yep, it's similar over here in Hong Kong too, though a bit more complicated and the directions are different. When you go up north of the Kowloon Peninsula into the mountains, there's a lot of commuter towns built in valleys, where you can find surprisingly cheap housing. Now, the thing about valleys is, wind direction depends on time of day. In the daytime, the sides of the valley get hotter than the centre, so winds blow out of the valley, making the air nice and clean --- but no one's home to enjoy it because they're all off at their jobs in other districts. And at nighttime when the sides of the valley cool faster than the centre, winds blow down into the valley. Just in time for the people coming home to enjoy everyone else's pollution, PLUS whatever they generate locally. Car exhaust is one obvious source, but cooking exhaust is a surprisingly big problem too --- you'd never think of it until you live in a place full of 50-story apartments, closely packed together, where everyone comes home at about the same time and cooks up a stir-fry for dinner.

Conversely, the most expensive houses (aside from the ones up on hilltops with nice views) are generally on the south of the main island. You've got mountains to your north and the ocean to your south. So in the summer, when prevailing winds come from the south, you get a clean ocean breeze. In the winter, when prevailing winds come from the north, you get all of mainland China's factory pollution plus all of Hong Kong's car and power plant exhaust blowing in your direction --- but you're protected by the mountains, so most of it goes around you and blows out to sea.

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Actually in most of the major US cities, the south side is bad. For example, SE DC, south side Chicago, south-central LA

Interesting. Applies to Boston too - to the north are the rapidly gentrifying yuppie suburbs of Cambridge, Somerville and Medford, while to the south are the more depressed areas of Roxbury, Dorchester and Mattapan. Same for the non-San Jose parts of Silicon Valley: Palo Alto and Mountain View are ritzier than neighboring Sunnyvale and Santa Clara. I don't know enough about San Jose itself to say, nor about San Franc…

San Francisco shows both trends -- South San Francisco is poorer, and so is Oakland to the East (although there are lots of other non-weather-related reasons for Oakland).

I've never understood why South San Francisco is quite so neglected while commuter cities like Redwood City do so well. It's literally the next-closest town, why is it not super-expensive there?

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Nice reasoning. (Though only applicable to 'newer' cities, or at least more recent expansion of cities).

Also only to people that commute at rush hour +/- and into/out of the city.

Which for smaller cities is most people

Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?

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Except in WA, where many prestigious suburbs are in the West (Peppermint Grove, etc), and Adelaide where they are distributed around the center (North Adelaide to the North, Unley Park & Springfield to the South, as well as some in the East). I think that in Australian cities factors other than wind direction have a larger influence.

Adelaide is a big exception, since it is bordered on the west by the ocean, and the east by the hills. All the prestigious suburbs are around the city, with the North and South regions having the worst places. The most prestigious places are to the south and east, then north, and lastly west. Sydney, the further west you go, the worse it gets. The population center of Sydney is actually 10km west of the city. Pretty…

That's because the West is further inland, away from the cooling ocean breeze, and gets bloody hot compared to the city.
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