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Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by battlebot »

coldtea wrote: post #85
kolanos wrote: post #4

"Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 4…

> and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. As if this is some benevolent plan towards harmony and peace, and not merely a way to build an empire where corporatists and moguls have increased control on an even more defenseless populace without shared historical…

Very well said. I see no upside to globalism, only the exertion of control over our way of life by people whom we utterly despise. Why should, for example, some leader of a failed state such as Robert Mugabe, or even the head of a contemporary such as Angela Merkel, have any right to decide anything about our lives? They don't.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by notsofastmister »

He probably wasn't too far from the disgusting coup against Salvador Allende on the 9/11/1973, organized by the CIA.

From the guardian :

"But the very name of Allende was anathema to the extreme Right in Chile, to certain powerful corporations (notably ITT, Pepsi Cola and the Chase Manhattan Bank) which did business in Chile and the United States, and to the CIA." [0]

"He [David Rockerfeller] was both chairman and chief executive of Chase Manhattan from 1969 to 1980 and remained chairman until 1981." [1]

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/24/pinochet.booke... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by hwillis »

iliketosleep wrote: post #76
Florin_Andrei wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why globalization must necessarily mean total domination by the "elites". Yes, it's a significant risk factor in that scenario, but the two don't come in a package, bound together with epoxy. It would only happen if we continue to refuse to address the issue of inequality - this time on a global scale. Some form of globalization is actually the best case scenario, the golden path for this world. It must i…

i don't think inequality can be solved by globalization. if you look at the poor countries, you'll find a multitude of structural problems. until these structural problems are dealt with, globalization is likely to feed corruption. i agree that globalization would reduce the risk of global conflict - there would only be one side. thus, if the wrong people were in power there would be no way to fight them. that's scar…

>i agree that globalization would reduce the risk of global conflict - there would only be one side. thus, if the wrong people were in power there would be no way to fight them. that's scary.

That's not scary, that's the US. The Federal government functions more successfully than state governments in every way. In the Fed we have Trump vs. in states we have literal coups and gerrymandering. The US is better as a federation than individual states in every way. A state is not more able to fight "the wrong people being in charge", but they are significantly more vulnerable to it.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by gph »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #58
iliketosleep wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frightening is that he was actually proud of it - he really believed in it. I wonder how many other powerful families are working towards the "more integrated global political and economic structure", consolidating the power of the global elite. Good luck to everybody else... Edit to clarify: in an ideal world what he stands for is right. but we're not in an idea world. where there's power there's often corrup…

I don't see why globalization must necessarily mean total domination by the "elites". Yes, it's a significant risk factor in that scenario, but the two don't come in a package, bound together with epoxy. It would only happen if we continue to refuse to address the issue of inequality - this time on a global scale. Some form of globalization is actually the best case scenario, the golden path for this world. It must i…

But you're describing some kind of theoretical ideal world. We don't live in that world. No one has found a good mechanism for controlling inequality within their own borders and/or ethnic group that scales to anything beyond the size of a village.

Yea domination by elites and globalization don't theoretically have to occur together. But looking at history and the current state of the world... what do you think is more likely?

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by unityByFreedom »

faceyspacey wrote: post #84
unityByFreedom wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what is your solution to this dilemma? As soon as you become leader, you are the establishment. Trump is the establishment now, and he's certainly elite. There have always been leaders in society. We have parents, bosses, and presidents. It's just the way things are. You can still work to change your own situation.

There's a difference between leaders and leaders willing to go to any means to achieve their ends. What I'm doing is sharing info in a more balanced less conspiracy-laden way than many would. And believe me I am--what I'm saying is tame relative to what many others would say and how they would say it. The problem is too many people still believe 911 wasn't manufactured just as the weapons of mass destruction Iraq nev…

Comrade, I think you spend too much time on the internet. Get some fresh air and exercise. I wish you well.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by melling »

teslabox wrote: post #26
kolanos wrote: post #4

"Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 4…

From the article: > Rockefeller upheld the family’s philanthropic tradition, giving away more than $900 million during his lifetime. In 1940, he joined the board of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, established in 1901 by his grandfather, and a decade later succeeded his father as board chairman, serving for 25 years. Rich people don't give money away no-strings-attached, they channel it for their purpo…

"Rich people don't give money away no-strings-attached, they channel it for their purposes"

This is really just a troll comment where you put everyone in a group group under one umbrella. Now others will need to waste their timé feeding the troll.

This really is not a constructive or educational way for people to spend their afternoon.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by kolbe »

raverbashing wrote: post #13
kolbe wrote: post #3

[fake news article deleted]

Fake news are propelled by the ignorance of those replicating it Namely: the fact that people barely survive one heart transplant, let alone 7

Fair point, though it's not that unreasonable to think bring a billionaire will greatly increase your chance of survival.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by ravitation »

reckoner2 wrote: post #93
teslabox wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > Rockefeller upheld the family’s philanthropic tradition, giving away more than $900 million during his lifetime. In 1940, he joined the board of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, established in 1901 by his grandfather, and a decade later succeeded his father as board chairman, serving for 25 years. Rich people don't give money away no-strings-attached, they channel it for their purpo…

I finished "Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller" a few nights ago. It's a mammoth of a book and I believe the undisputed most accurate and comprehensive look at his life. I think that what you've written here is incredibly misleading when talking about John D. Rockefeller's philanthropy in particular. It is wrong to imply the Rockefeller's secretly controlled strings in order to make profits from their donations.…

A question out of pure ignorance: the parent comment was speaking on David Rockefeller, did he (David Rockefeller) treat philanthropy in the same way (not just superficially) as his grandfather?

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by laichzeit0 »

The primary goal of Islam, according to its doctrine, is to bring the law of Allah (known as Sharia) to all people on earth. Sharia is the right way to live, and all people should be subject to it.

Please explain how you plan to "live together" when there are people who are actively pursuing an ideology that in no way, shape or form can be altered because it is the actual, literal, word of God himself and it must be implemented. It's not even up for debate, because it does not follow reason. It is a dogmatic prime directive to be carried out.

Thus, "learning to live together on the same planet" is a fool's errand if not everyone can agree that that is an allowable first principle. Islam clearly does not allow it as a first principle.

I mean this isn't like some kind of subculture and you have people minding their own business and saying "that's cool bro I'm just gonna practice my religion here in peace and we can mutually coexist". That is not the will of Allah.

Re: David Rockefeller has died

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Post by unityByFreedom »

rayiner wrote: post #97
unityByFreedom wrote: post #66

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> tends to undermine welfare states. Not if we realize we share this planet and ought to be collectively interested in its health.

The modern European welfare state - until robots take over - is all about carving out a local optimum in a sea of scarcity. How do you propose to have cradle-to-grave welfare within a system that encourages labor in developed countries to bitterly compete with desparate people in developing countries?

Well that was the Westphalian agreement. We're sovereign states and can operate as we see fit. If international policy has some impact on our domestic policy -- so be it. Much the same as we have free will and are also impacted by our environment.

There are people in places who are happy with the way things are, and people in other places who wouldn't like it that way.

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