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Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Post by abm2205 »

taneq wrote: post #252
vlunkr wrote: post #199

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The trick is to stop caring about the 1%. There isn't limited wealth or happiness. I promise if you plan it out it's completely possible to retire with dignity and people are doing it all the time.

Since we're talking about it in gamer terms, the 1% are the hardcore raiders. They have all the best gear you'll never have, they have heaps of gold from selling exclusive raid drops, they're untouchable unless you're lucky, well connected, AND dedicate your life to the game. Don't let the mere fact of their existence stop you from enjoying yourself.

Too bad it isn't like eve.

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Post by robattila128 »

fdupoo wrote: post #414
robattila128 wrote: post #376

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fundamental attribution error is a fancy way to tell someone they are self projecting, so why didn't you just say that? also you might have had disadvantages in life so you may be seeing as everyone else being disadvantaged to, the very thing you identified hes thinking with. The reality is people are taking advantage of the generosity we have in our society and people who grow up comfortably will never know how to s…

>Redistributing wealth more and more creates less opportunity for the free market to lift people out of poverty. What? No it doesnt? How do you even Is this satire?

I should have used the word socialism instead of redistribution to make it more clear on my stance, but I didn't want to get political.

You are right though, butchering the middle and upper class with taxes then passing it around does help people out of poverty -- At the cost of making our future generations poorer, happens every time through out history. I am heavily against government welfare. For markets to survive it need competition, not cooperation through government bureaucracy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e50fQLyebI

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Post by AlwaysRock »

Endy wrote: post #331
isuckatcoding wrote: post #320

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> only thing keeping me from jumping in front of a train. Hey man don't say that. Despite what you may think, you are valued and important. If you're feeling suicidal, Please call this hotline 1-800-273-8255.

I genuinely appreciate your concern. I still have my lifeline in gaming - both tabletop (which is social) and computer (which is antisocial). For now, I'll leave the hotline to those who have less than me and are closer to the edge. ETA: One of these days I need to find out what it takes to get a paying job with them; it seems like a service we're going to need for a very long time. And since I spend a lot of time si…

You dont have to be on the edge to call the hotline. Next time game night gets canceled give them a call for 20 minutes.

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Post by sogen »

applecrazy wrote: post #398
pabloski wrote: post #345

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"I felt the game is rigged", you nailed it in this simple phrase. In fact http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/new-york-assemblyma... They ( the oligarchs through their politicians ) change the rules every day, but they say to us that the system is fair. Obviously it is lapalissian that the system isn't fair at all but it is massively rigged. In the past centuries people would have revolted, now they imprison the…

This is sounding eerily similar to Fahrenheit 451.

Uh? Can't find the similarities.

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Post by nunez »

Aeolun wrote: post #262
nunez wrote: post #233

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I completely agree with this. My immediate family and I came from having next to nothing. We busted ass and have money now. We aren't rich, but we're enjoying life in ways we couldn't growing up. If we, instead, believed the rhetoric that life is screwed unless you came out of a "lucky vagina," we would still be broke, in Brooklyn, trying to make ends meet, and I would be another socially-inept dude that spends way t…

Confirmation bias? Just because it worked for you, doesn't mean there aren't a thousand people who tried and failed at exactly the same thing. Your chances are definitely higher than zero if you try, but unfortunately it's no guarantee that you'll succeed.

So what's the alternative? Give up and cry before even trying?

Knowing that you might fail and flame out is the definiton of risk; you do it because the upside is worth it

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Post by vedranm »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #424
vedranm wrote: post #423

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It's not possible; human desires are infinite for all practical purposes and physical matter is inherently scarce. Have a great house? A car? A plane? Great... now, how about a spaceship?

Well, its about marketing. Used to be we dreamed of flying cars and going to Mars (1950's science fiction). Jobs got us programmed to anticipate a little more RAM, a bigger screen and more colorful icons. Just dumb down the consumerism and there you are.

I would say, with rise of SpaceX, some of us dream of those things again. Comments like this on HN make me think there are more of use than we think: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13706116

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Post by edblarney »

researcher11 wrote: post #198
alphonsegaston wrote: post #197

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This response is so stereotypical and contrary to the facts of the conditions of young people today, I have to thank you for demonstrating both my and the parent's points. Thanks for that!

It is so perfectly stereotypical and dicorced from reality part of me thought it was a joke.

"It is so perfectly stereotypical and dicorced from reality "

It is exactly reality - and that you don't grasp it only validates how utterly self-deluded Millenials are.

By every measure Millenials are doing better.

Millenials have:

+ Better healthcare, more coverage + Better access to education, information, more college grads than ever + More job opportunities, more diverse fields to apply knowlege + More opportunity for wealth creation + A life full of gadgets, toys and trifles that couldn't even be imagined + You have 'fast fashion' - just 20 years ago there was no suh thing. Clothes were expensive. + Your cars are pretty good, stereos are great, they are fun to drive. Drive a car from the 1970's - they are shit-boxes + You have access to unlimited entertainment and music. In the 1970s' you had 10 records. You wanted to listen to more you went to your friends house. + You have more mobility and access to jobs not only around America, but around the world. + Millenial girls can actually have careers and jobs - and not have to fight vicious stereotyping.

It's basically disgusting that this generation should make existential complains.

What are your beefs?

That you don't bet to be CEO after 1 year?

That you can't live in a baller apartment in SF and have to actually commute from the burbs?

That you don't have job security? Well, you could, if you wanted a more boring job.

That you have school debt? Every generation did. You could have gone to a state school, private school is a luxury.

All of these gripes are really sad 'Oh the Boomers fed everything up' and 'life sucks'. Bullshit.

Provide some facts.

Other than University being a little more expensive - I don't see anything that is remotely more difficult. And FYU with interest rates so low compared to the 15% it was in the 1980s, I say in real dollars, maybe that's not so bad.

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Post by callmeed »

mos_basik wrote: post #292
callmeed wrote: post #236

Someone should figure out a way to embed mechanical turk tasks into video games. Then young men can at least get paid a little bit for their game play.

The MMO Eve Online partnered with the Human Protein Atlas to embed a protein-mapping minigame in Eve. It was fitted into the game's overarching storyline and gives in-game rewards for participating. A month or two after it was introduced they released some numbers; something like 37 man-years of classification labor had been performed. And because it's in a game with an existing playerbase and provides reward as long…

Fascinating, thanks for this. I had a suspicion I wasn't the first person to come up with this idea.

I wonder how well such a program could expand to other forms of crowdsourced data.

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Post by vedranm »

dalore wrote: post #391
vedranm wrote: post #387

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Occupy and Black Lives Matter[1] have deep ideological differences to Tea Party[2] and Donald Trump. Do not trust those who classify all of those as the same kind of civil uprising. [1] https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/02/black-lives-matter-p... [2] https://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

Yes they are different. But in the ways they are similar is that they are expressing a frustration at the current status quo.

Isn't every protest about doing exactly that?

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Post by edblarney »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #350
zxcvvcxz wrote: post #231

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Not sure how this is being downvoted - the truth hurts. We just have it too damn good, and without any wide-scale struggles to know how good we have it. I would like to a read a serious response from a detractor.

Okay, here's one. The boomer's coasted on the tail end of a rising post-war economy and government largesse, then burned the ladder behind them and destroyed their legacy by electing Reagan. By any measure (college financing, wages, home prices) they were ridiculously advantaged relative to young people today, who now have to suffer under an obscenely priced regime of credentialism, largely administered (for their ow…

"The boomer's coasted on the tail end of a rising post-war economy and government largesse, then burned the ladder behind them and destroyed their legacy by electing Reagan. "

Utter bullshit.

It's not even anectodal - it's just complete narrative fiction.

This is HN, try some facts.

Which material or social elements regarding standard of living between the generations, implies that 'Millenials have it harder'?

By every external measure, you have more wealth and opportunity than any generation in history.

"This disgusting rightward lurch sets the stage for a CIA scion to pretend he was a cowboy "

What the smack are you on about?

This is HN not the Huffington Post.

"Ended the Cold War? Look at 2017 and think about that one."

If you were alive during the cold war, then you know that 2017 is obviously not the cold war.

Stop complaining.

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