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Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Post by Endy »

isuckatcoding wrote: post #320
Endy wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counterpoint: When I was 20, I had a great job and was happy with my lot in life, certain that everything was going to be okay. I was going to continue working in the public library, get the Assistant job, spin that into my MLS, and take up a Reference Librarian position. I just turned 30 last week. The bottom dropped out of my world when the budget focus shifted to a strongly anti-education agenda when I was 23…

> only thing keeping me from jumping in front of a train. Hey man don't say that. Despite what you may think, you are valued and important. If you're feeling suicidal, Please call this hotline 1-800-273-8255.

I genuinely appreciate your concern. I still have my lifeline in gaming - both tabletop (which is social) and computer (which is antisocial). For now, I'll leave the hotline to those who have less than me and are closer to the edge.

ETA: One of these days I need to find out what it takes to get a paying job with them; it seems like a service we're going to need for a very long time. And since I spend a lot of time sitting around with a computer and a phone next to me, I figure I should go see about getting paid to help people.

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Post by dropit_sphere »

empath75 wrote: post #149
throwaway420 wrote: post #126

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a) Where did I say that women aren't experiencing harassment on some gaming communities? In fact, I explicitly acknowledged it. Your post is kind of pointless virtue signaling or something. b) I just pointed out that it's just generally not about your gender. It doesn't matter if you're a man or woman: every newcomer gets harassed in really rough ways using the most biting insults available. A fat guy will get the ob…

Do you know what a sad cliche this nonsense is? You're just repeating the same tired, red-pill gamergate nonsense.

What is the difference between "cliche" and "same, tired," and "tried-and-true"? (That is a rhetorical question, but the reader is encouraged to answer it for themselves as an exercise).

There is a nearly irresistible temptation for people reading comments like the grandparent to engage in tribal thinking. "I'm against being a dick to women," they think, "This guy, who shows signs of being a dick to women, therefore has nothing of merit to say."

I don't really have a point, except: Beware your epistemology! Your cognitive biases put Trump in office and you still don't understand why. If you can master the difficult art of reading things you disagree with, there may yet be hope for you.

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Post by wozer »

researcher11 wrote: post #198
alphonsegaston wrote: post #197

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This response is so stereotypical and contrary to the facts of the conditions of young people today, I have to thank you for demonstrating both my and the parent's points. Thanks for that!

It is so perfectly stereotypical and dicorced from reality part of me thought it was a joke.

Hey rustynails: you seem to be shadowbanned.

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Post by backpropaganda »

pessimizer wrote: post #155
ganfortran wrote: post #85

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How do u read that? Mind to illustrate me your thought process?

I think you got caught trying to humanize and understand people with reprehensible beliefs instead of condemning them, censoring them, and diagnosing them as sociopaths.

A hat trick of Poe's laws application in this thread.

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Post by koonsolo »

US seems to be centered around spending your whole life working. 10 days of vacation, are you serious? That is only 2 weeks per year. I can't imagine only 2 weeks of holiday with my 3 kids.

Maybe you should look more towards Europe for some solutions. More vacation days, flexible work system (4/5th, part-time, etc.), incentives to stay a couple of months at home.

Maybe those gamers would be perfectly happy having a part-time jobs and spending the rest of the time gaming.

As an example: one of our people managers here (in Belgium) is working 4/5th, and she's doing a great job.

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Post by yummyfajitas »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #293
yummyfajitas wrote: post #288

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It's true that of late, the police do seem to look the other way when anti-intellectual thugs assault political dissidents (e.g. Murray, Milo). They do obey the orders of the ruling class. But why would the cops side with a bunch of layabout gamers seeking only to pillage and plunder?

Well, the presumed scenario here is that all but the 1% are starving in the streets (including the friends and relatives of said cops). Why wouldn't they side with them? Just to be clear here, I think the outcome of such a revolution scenario would almost certainly lead to even more suffering. But it would happen nonetheless. It behooves us to not allow things to get that bad.

Why is this the presumed scenario? That is not the scenario here in India, where the lower class does in fact work as domestic labor for the middle class.

Starvation only seems to happen nowadays in war zones and communist countries.

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Post by yummyfajitas »

scarmig wrote: post #313
yummyfajitas wrote: post #46

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How does a UBI prevent this? The people described in the article don't seem to want more money. They want to play video games. Giving them enough money to live off of would allow them to do exactly that while producing nothing of benefit to society. Right now, at least, some of them seem marginally productive (contractors, the cashier, etc). Utility, as a function of money, generally has a negative second derivative…

Most readers here have significant flexibility in our work schedules and choice of jobs. But right now, I take on an extra responsibilities and an extra 10 hours a week over the regular 40 hours in the hopes of getting a promotion and a ~15% raise. This flies flatly in the face of a sublinear utility to income relationship. And I choose this even though I could easily move to a less intense or part-time job. What's y…

This flies flatly in the face of a sublinear utility to income relationship.

It does no such thing. Will you put in an extra 20 hours for a 30% raise? How about 30 hours for a 45% raise?

Sublinear utility merely means that there is some point at which you'll stop.

I wonder if there'd be a significant gender split in how a UBI acts as a [dis]incentive to work.

In the Mincome experiment, which resulted in a 10% decrease in work effort, the effect was higher among women than men. However given that the original data/study is unavailable (merely news reports about it), it's impossible to know if that effect was significant. (Back in the day they weren't as good at multiple comparisons corrections as they are now.)

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Post by pvaldes »

"Emily lives in a small town not far from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 2013 she graduated from university and took a job at a marketing firm – a miserable one which she left after a few months... After months of unhappy unemployment, Emily found work: as a cashier in a local shop"

Spanish government's research job offer last month. Some of the requirements: having 16-30 years old and a Phd degree.

Maybe is the market who lives in an alternate reality when it is expected that you start university at 8-10 years old to have a job, but you are too old at 23.

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Post by AstralStorm »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #273
coliveira wrote: post #258

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It is too easy for people who have "made it" to say this. I have kind of made it too, so I could have the same attitude. The problem however is that anecdotes don't proof a point. You have to look at numbers. Numbers say that the majority of Americans are losing purchasing power year after year, and there are fewer middle class jobs. Somehow, the 1% have more privileges each passing day, they pay close to nothing in…

Where do you think rich people put their wealth? A savings account?

Caymans and investments. Most of those geared for quick and high returns, not sustainability, improving society or long term job creation.

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Post by AstralStorm »

pvaldes wrote: post #338

"Emily lives in a small town not far from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 2013 she graduated from university and took a job at a marketing firm – a miserable one which she left after a few months... After months of unhappy unemployment, Emily found work: as a cashier in a local shop" Spanish government's research job offer last month. Some of the requirements: having 16-30 years old and a Phd degree. Maybe is the market…

It is ageism, a form of discrimination. Has to be fought against.
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