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Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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I've watched this happen to my friends. One that I graduated high school with in particular comes to mind. We all played video games back then. Half Life, Goldeneye, Starcraft, Everquest, etc. He was a smart guy, driven, usually made better grades than me (I was lazy in high school). Took a job at an medical supply company after graduating from high school intending to work for a few months before starting college. W…

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Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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> I don't believe we ended up here due to some grand conspiracy, > but I do think that the top 1% have gotten so skilled at trapping wealth and therefore opportunity that it's really screwing over everyone else. I've got news people: the top 1% is not forcing you to watch Netflix, consume social media, or strap a VR headset on. We live in a generation absolutely devoid of personal responsibility. And it's why ideas t…

I completely agree with this. My immediate family and I came from having next to nothing. We busted ass and have money now. We aren't rich, but we're enjoying life in ways we couldn't growing up. If we, instead, believed the rhetoric that life is screwed unless you came out of a "lucky vagina," we would still be broke, in Brooklyn, trying to make ends meet, and I would be another socially-inept dude that spends way t…

Same. Neither parents went to college. I went to college completely on the government's dime because my EFC was $0.

The only thing I had to do to get free grants was to show my parents didn't have money.

Their poverty became an enormous benefit for me when applying to college and receiving financial aid. It's an incredible and amazing country we live in.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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I completely agree with this. My immediate family and I came from having next to nothing. We busted ass and have money now. We aren't rich, but we're enjoying life in ways we couldn't growing up. If we, instead, believed the rhetoric that life is screwed unless you came out of a "lucky vagina," we would still be broke, in Brooklyn, trying to make ends meet, and I would be another socially-inept dude that spends way t…

It is too easy for people who have "made it" to say this. I have kind of made it too, so I could have the same attitude. The problem however is that anecdotes don't proof a point. You have to look at numbers. Numbers say that the majority of Americans are losing purchasing power year after year, and there are fewer middle class jobs. Somehow, the 1% have more privileges each passing day, they pay close to nothing in…

Where do you think rich people put their wealth? A savings account?

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Yeah, there's definitely a lot of truth in that. Still, the bit about the guy who went to law school and decided not to practice, opting instead to play video games, and for whom finances were no biggie because parents... Jiminy Christmas, WTF is up with that.

Right, but the author spent three paragraphs on Chris from Ipswitch who's a contractor in the health-sector who rarely gets work and can't get an employer to help train him. It's not exactly like Chris is running away from some lucrative alternative to spend his time playing videogames. I'm sympathetic to the idea that many of these games are skinner boxes that our brains have relatively few defenses against, but Chr…

as far as stupid examples go, I was surprised at how low the quoted hours played were (the couple of times they were mentioned). the largest was 600 hours of KSP. I have more than 1000 hours each in Dota 2 and Eve Online. I'm not sure if I'm significantly more addicted than the interviewees or I play fewer games longer than them. I know I don't game hop much, but still. Worrying.

At least I have a dev job I'm happy with that scratches my problem-solving itch and that I partially got because of experience I gained writing tools for Eve. Haven't been playing anything as much these days because when I get home from work, I'm usually ready to take off my thinking cap for a while and most of my games very much require me to keep it on.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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What is the labor market, if not an interminable, poorly designed MMORPG? Most of us will be alive by the time there's enough economic incentive for all the things humanity needs, with only a token labor force. Many of the world's richest countries are already there, at least when it comes to their own citizens. In the future (i.e. the present, in the software world), to the extent that employers need workers, they g…

I imagine it's going to be more like a handful of kleptocrat authoritarians, a small class of knowledge workers, and the rest are the shock troops of the above or the people who's heads their cracking for even thinking about rebelling.

Inner Party, Outer Party, and the proles...

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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> I don't believe we ended up here due to some grand conspiracy, > but I do think that the top 1% have gotten so skilled at trapping wealth and therefore opportunity that it's really screwing over everyone else. I've got news people: the top 1% is not forcing you to watch Netflix, consume social media, or strap a VR headset on. We live in a generation absolutely devoid of personal responsibility. And it's why ideas t…

Marxism should never be "easily dismissed". It should be respected and fought for. The problem is that we're afraid to go out and actually fight the Permanent Revolution; because we've been cowed by those who currently hold the power.

"It should be respected and fought for. "

Sorry, 100 million dead bodies is more than enough to convince me that Marxism doesn't work.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Utter and complete rubbish. The 'boomers' invented most of the 'computer stuff' you use, most 'developers' today are hacks (granted, some are amazing). Boomers had difficult upbringing, brought real social change, lived through - and ended the Cold War. Female boomers were expected to be secretaries - and had to fight for the right just to do normal jobs in the workplace. Even the boys - were expected to do the same…

And let's think about what the boomers didn't have. No cell phones. No GPS. No soft contact lenses. No electronic fuel injection (carburetors! yay!) No Google I can keep on going with this for a long time LIFE WAS A LIVING HELL FOR BOOMERS! BE SO HAPPY YOU WERE NOT ONE!

Not having all of those probably makes live a lot better in a purely professional sense.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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I really like this read, something just smells off about blaming young people for "wasting years" on video games. We've got a horribly stacked real life "game" where the boomers and elites have horded everything and fucked future generations, blaming an individual for dropping out and not wanting to really participate in that trainwreck is being dishonest at best.

This really hits home for me. Seems like every older family member I have just has tons and tons of useless stuff. I dont get it.

If you'd ever experienced real privation, you would understand why they hang on to that "useless" stuff.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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So why did the generations before the Baby Boomers do so well despite having a much worse game stacked against them? I think the crisis that Millenials are facing are a case of over-parenting/over-protection, increased secularization, the rise of feminism and demonization of masculinity, and a failed higher education system.

How exactly does increased secularization and "the rise of feminism and demonization of masculinity" contribute to a crisis for this generation?

Socialists screwing things over and keynesian economics at work. Maybe not so much in the US as in Europe, but you were on the right track with your previous administration. Mindless state borrowing without any intent to pay back. Taxes. Then a single salary wasn't enough for a household so why not encourage women to get a job, be independent? Feminism. Then why not encourage immigrants work small jobs for us? Those are nasty/boring jobs anyway. Secularism. Now what? More taxes? Americans' incomes being tracked outside the country. Climate change taxes?

The Trump administration is merely a reaction (of the people fed up with this) against just that: political correctness, immigrants, feminism, socialism, taxes taxes taxes.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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So you want to turn all those unemployed dudes who eat cheeseburgers and play video games all day into your domestic servants, but pay them the same amount of money they're receiving as part of their benefits right now? Do you have any idea how angry they'd be if that happened? It would make la Terreur look like an episode of Teletubbies.

I'm glad we've gone from moral imperative to recognition that these folks are merely extortionists. But on practical grounds I disagree with la terreur - call of duty is not really a substitute for military training. Senseless violence of the sort you almost seem to be advocating (am I misreading?) could be easily suppressed by a modern police force.

"Senseless violence of the sort you almost seem to be advocating (am I misreading?) could be easily suppressed by a modern police force."

What makes you think the police are going to be on your side in such a situation?

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