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Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Any more detail? There is a big gap between inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment and/or the assault allegations made.

Is there now? By all means describe what objectively differentiates inappropriate from harassment.

Farting is inappropriate but not harassment (usually). There is a huge range of behaviour that's can be inappropriate but not harassment.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

#52
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This sort of stuff, character assassination based on hearsay, used to be considered tabloid journalism, something no one with half a brain would read. Now it get's up voted every time on HN.

> This sort of stuff, character assassination based on hearsay

It's interesting you say it's "hearsay" when Jacob Appelbaum voluntarily resigned his job at Tor after allegations of sexual misconduct, allegations which Tor then hired an independent investigator to follow-up who found them to be largely true.

But sure, "hearsay"...

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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post #29

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I am one of the people who upvoted this article. How else do you want people to bring problems out in to the open? The author of the article used their real name, made several references to other people and told their side of the story. Now its up to the accused to tell their side of the story. Even take legal action if the story is untrue. For an industry trying to get more females to take part in it, sentiments lik…

> For an industry trying to get more females to take part in it, sentiments like this against possible victims is not what we should hold. I'd rather an industry with 0 women than one where mere allegations (let's not pretend there haven't been some rather high profile false allegations) are career ending. On balance this guy does sound like a creep, but I don't think issue's like this should be tackled in public wit…

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Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Is this a common thing in the infosec industry? Personally I have known two people who were sexually harassed who work in security. I've also hung out with some and they do seem to have an unrealistic view on the opposite sex. Some examples I've found of documented cases: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/female-hackers-st... https://www.the-parallax.com/2015/10/26/how-myth-of-meritocr...

It's one victim telling the story, enabling other victim to tell theirs. This happens in many communities, not only IT. But the first person to speak up opens the gate for others who experienced it for a long time.

That's one of the reasons it's important to share them. You'd never expect what happened to people you personally know sometimes.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Is this the same Dan as the author of qmail? I feel I cannot use that software anymore in good conscience

> Is this the same Dan as the author of qmail? I feel I cannot use that software anymore in good conscience

Me too. I'm immediately switching back to sendmail and rot13 encryption, two technologies unstained by any connection, no matter how minor, to scandalous allegations.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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You can't possibly believe that ridiculous story? That he tried to poison someone with eye drops , and that the only evidence for this is that while nothing happened at the time, the eye in question has felt irritated ever since?! I don't even know how to respond! I'm not an expert on mental health so I don't want to go claiming this is due to one mental health issue or another, but I was brought up to believe that s…

It's hard enough getting eye drops in when both of you want them in, let alone when one side is unwilling.

Some people claim similar things about rape and try to use that as evidence showing that the accusation is false ("she could just have kept her legs together"). It's a bit disgusting.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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His wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Appelbaum Doesn't seem to be the first time he has been accused publicly of sexual abuses. Very far from that.

Here, have something more serious and in depth.

https://github.com/Enegnei/JacobAppelbaumLeavesTor/blob/mast...

I formed my own conclusions, including about those who take this lightly.

Who has called out journalists seriously since? That's the last he did before the attack website and the carefully placed articles started, no? For all this talk about how Appelbaum was this sociopath plagiarist just being charistmatic and summarizing the work of otehrs, while others do the super serious work (that doesn't include not partaking in witch hunts, but it's fine to be this socially inept, and spout so much sophistry, because you see, he is the sociopath, that slot is taken so everybody else is in the clear), and all those crickets chirping in response to questions about that, including on HN, complete with downvote brigades, the flagged article by someone offering their first-hand account in response to what third parties claimed about them, and so on -- I haven't seen anyone pick up the mantle yet. Even assuming every single accusation against him is completely true, that absolutely pales in comrparison to the "response" to it, and how transparent it is. HN is completely scorched earth in that regard until downvotes are made public. That would be interesting, until then take care.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Since this post casts djb in an unfavorable light, I feel it's important to post some of his emails here, so that his words can stand alone, uncolored. From https://www.hdevalence.ca/etc/34de2f3c2a48f7da/EmAiLs.txt "Hi everybody, As most of you know, we hired Jake for a 5-year PhD program, starting with a 50-50 split between Tor and TU/e, and increasing TU/e percentage assuming that the first year goes well. The Tor…

From the article: "Dan has written at some length about the importance of “due process”, both internally to the research group and externally to the world. But it’s telling to notice that in every such discussion, Dan carefully avoided any mention of concrete processes: he did not define the “different procedures” suddenly required for him to take action, nor what “proper procedures” should be followed." This is pate…

i mean those e-mails by Dan you quoted are pretty incriminating themselves

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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post #50

Is this a common thing in the infosec industry? Personally I have known two people who were sexually harassed who work in security. I've also hung out with some and they do seem to have an unrealistic view on the opposite sex. Some examples I've found of documented cases: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/female-hackers-st... https://www.the-parallax.com/2015/10/26/how-myth-of-meritocr...

The more well-known infosec conferences, especially in the US, have a long-held tradition of being a place to show off, do drugs and party. The percentage of people I've known in infosec circles who are also heavy drug abusers easily doubles or possibly triples the general population.

At least that's my 20 years of experience of them.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Just wait man. Many other people are about to come forward if even a little bit of this is true. People in this thread have ALREADY started to back up the claims.

It's been nearly a year already since the ball got rolling on this.

I stand corrected. Apparently a bunch of people came forward and the guy got fired, because the accusations were true.
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