When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are • Hacker News Board

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by pseudalopex » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:39 AM UTC

belovedeagle wrote: post #6

pfarnsworth wrote: post #4

Wow this blog post makes djb sound like such a scumbag. The idea that he would ask people to consider the allegations "false" is absurd (there's a difference between presuming innocence vs presuming the the allegations are false). I would love to hear his side of the story.

Since when are targets of blatant and long-standing smear campaigns given the chance to tell "their side of the story", and what good would it do if they were, since there is no story of which they could tell their side? You've fallen right into the trap of thinking there is a story which needs to be told, rather than questioning from the beginning, "where is the evidence for any of this?" What's incredibly sad is it…

The author of the article published what he claims were emails sent by Bernstein. If the entire story is fabricated, Bernstein's side is "I never sent those emails".

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by flukus » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:43 AM UTC

belovedeagle wrote: post #20

stale2002 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... Someone was literally assaulted with drugs and your response is to call them mentally ill?

You can't possibly believe that ridiculous story? That he tried to poison someone with eye drops , and that the only evidence for this is that while nothing happened at the time, the eye in question has felt irritated ever since?! I don't even know how to respond! I'm not an expert on mental health so I don't want to go claiming this is due to one mental health issue or another, but I was brought up to believe that s…

It's hard enough getting eye drops in when both of you want them in, let alone when one side is unwilling.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by vitaminbandit » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:43 AM UTC

belovedeagle wrote: post #20

stale2002 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... Someone was literally assaulted with drugs and your response is to call them mentally ill?

You can't possibly believe that ridiculous story? That he tried to poison someone with eye drops , and that the only evidence for this is that while nothing happened at the time, the eye in question has felt irritated ever since?! I don't even know how to respond! I'm not an expert on mental health so I don't want to go claiming this is due to one mental health issue or another, but I was brought up to believe that s…

Everyone knows it's mathematically impossible to replace the liquid inside eye drop containers with something else.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by ta834939874 » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:43 AM UTC

belovedeagle wrote: post #20

stale2002 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... Someone was literally assaulted with drugs and your response is to call them mentally ill?

You can't possibly believe that ridiculous story? That he tried to poison someone with eye drops , and that the only evidence for this is that while nothing happened at the time, the eye in question has felt irritated ever since?! I don't even know how to respond! I'm not an expert on mental health so I don't want to go claiming this is due to one mental health issue or another, but I was brought up to believe that s…

I question your impartiality in the manner considering your 3 (so far) posts on the matter dismissing it entirely.

> is so obviously mentally ill and in need of help

> I'm not an expert on mental health

> I was brought up to believe that such stories are evidence of extreme paranoia.

I too will reserve judgement until corroborating accounts are made. You may indeed be correct - but I will wait patiently. I don't think you're doing any of the accused any favors.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by tptacek » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:44 AM UTC

donatj wrote: post #11

The story would be a lot more powerful if it were vastly more concise and meandered far less. This reads like an angsty teens livejournal entry, which doesn't do the serious nature of the matter justice.

It wasn't written for your entertainment.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by hartator » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:45 AM UTC

His wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Appelbaum Doesn't seem to be the first time he has been accused publicly of sexual abuses. Very far from that.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by flukus » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:45 AM UTC

clearly_a_shill wrote: post #15

poikniok wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't we wait to hear Dan's side of the story before we get out the pitchforks just yet?

I have seen instances of Jake behaving inappropriately in front of DJB, and I'm pretty sure he saw. I've heard Jake bragging about his sexual exploits on numerous occasions, including the sawzall story. Not posting under my normal account for obvious reasons.

Any more detail? There is a big gap between inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment and/or the assault allegations made.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by belovedeagle » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:45 AM UTC

hartator wrote: post #26

His wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Appelbaum Doesn't seem to be the first time he has been accused publicly of sexual abuses. Very far from that.

If you throw enough shit at a wall, eventually some of it will stick. That's exactly the strategy being used here.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by malikNF » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:46 AM UTC

flukus wrote: post #14

This sort of stuff, character assassination based on hearsay, used to be considered tabloid journalism, something no one with half a brain would read. Now it get's up voted every time on HN.

I am one of the people who upvoted this article. How else do you want people to bring problems out in to the open?

The author of the article used their real name, made several references to other people and told their side of the story. Now its up to the accused to tell their side of the story. Even take legal action if the story is untrue.

For an industry trying to get more females to take part in it, sentiments like this against possible victims is not what we should hold. Lets listen to both sides of the story and help make this industry something every one can work in.

Re: When ‘he’ll be kept on payroll, somewhere’ is where you are

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Post by empressplay » Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 5:47 AM UTC

The "smoking gun" here is, I suppose, that the person in question was fired from _another_ project in quite a public fashion for engaging in the very same sort of harassment the OP reported to his supervisors and was rebuffed for.

There really doesn't look like there's much wiggle room here.

Now, that said, I think this is brilliant because this sort of thing happens _all the time_ -- typically, if you report a Higher Value Person(tm) for harassment (no matter what the field) you may as well just be shouting in the wind. You'll get told "oh, you don't want to ruin their life, do you?" or "I've spoken to him, he won't do it again, please won't you take one for the team?" And if you persist, well, you're just disgruntled and unhappy and maybe you should go somewhere else.

Nice to see someone held to account for once!