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Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I don't know why you're using quote, there are legitimately dangerous neighborhoods that someone may not want to drive to at 2:30 AM. Granted, if that's the case, then they shouldn't be Ubering at 2:30 AM, but it's still a legitimate concern.

At least in my experience, "bad neighborhood" more often than not simply means "black people live there."

At least in my experience, there are plenty of nice neighborhoods of mixed ethnicity and absolute shit neighborhoods regardless of ethnicity.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I do feel the same way! But Uber's relentless fare-cutting has made it such a bad deal for drivers that I feel the awkwardness has come right back, since I'd pretty much have to tip in order to not feel like I'm taking advantage of the driver.

You're not taking advantage of the driver. Uber is. It's the same thing with restaurants - you're letting yourself be guilted into subsidizing a corporation's business strategy, with the justification that it's either you that gets screwed, or their employees.

You're using Uber and supporting their practices. So if they are taking advantage of the driver, so are you, by proxy of using their service.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

I really don't care about their story.

I worked for about a dozen restaurants, bars and clubs back in the day. I lived in some of the shittiest places imaginable (in the US,) including 3 weeks in my car parked outside the low-rent, skank-infested strip club at which I DJed.

I get it; life is hard. However, tipping isn't a "charity surcharge" -- it's to reward service that went beyond the service you agreed to buy. A gardener watering my plants doesn't get a tip. A gardener helping find an escaped dog -- definitely.

I donate to charities I care about. I pay my taxes. I ensure the team I have working for me now gets paid before I do. I definitely don't need to be admonished that because I am a white guy that makes a bit of money now that somehow I don't understand the plight of those in service industries.

The great majority of people on HN aren't Stanford grads born with silver spoons -- nearly all of us worked our asses off to get the luxury of writing code or making companies.

Regardless of all that the implicit requirement that we tip as a form of charity is nonsense. The reason low wage people don't have a 'living wage' is because the supply of their labor is greater than the demand. Nothing will change that unless we implement a Soviet economy. Even Sweden has a poverty rate of 7% -- the U.K. is at 10% -- Spain is at 15%, France is at 14%.

The idea that "living wages" or tipping somehow makes any difference in poverty is not supported by facts. If we want to really help the poor, we should be supporting a culture of entrepreneurial freedom instead of excessive regulation. Some lady wants to sell tamales out of her house -- legally she can't do it without a health inspection and a permit. So someone that could have the means to start a small business with just a few dollars and some labor can't do it because of all of the barriers to entry. Some guy wants to cut hair on a street corner -- he can't do it without a cosmetology license. Some family wants to use the family car to pick up people at the airport -- they can't do it without permits, licenses or approvals.

Promoting micro-entrepreneurism would have a far bigger impact that tipping an Uber driver $10.

But the same people that love to virtue-signal often happen to be the same kind of people that support increased government regulation in all aspects of society. We're so busy protecting people from themselves that we stifle any ambitions they might have to attempt to improve their lot.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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The post above that one (the actual Uber driver) says that their hourly rate is about $8, not $0. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says "today I'm going to drive for Uber literally for free." Of course not. Let's use a little common sense here. Uber drivers expect, plan, hope to make money. The point is, they don't make much, and sometimes it's very little (like on a long fare). So the question is, then why do they…

> I'm just suggesting that maybe a lot of them don't have a higher-paying alternative This still doesn't make any sense. If you are losing money working for Uber, then you do have access to a higher paying alternative - which is literally standing in your house and doing nothing. Because zero is greater than a negative amount. I think there are really three explanations that make sense: People are not literally losin…

>> People are literally losing money working for Uber but only when you include depreciation of their car, and that is a long term cost, so people are effectively taking a loan from their future selves.

I believe this is it. They need money now, Uber is better than a payday loan but yes, they are mortgaging assets to make some cash now.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Depends. 20-30% if you are dining solo and not drinking in a place which is normally couples and with some wine, seems fair, since what actually matters to the waiter is total tips at the end of the night. My check is probably $40 vs $120.

You are also less work for them. I'm not sure why you feel obligated to make up for the fact that you aren't blowing 120 dollars at the table. I'll tip 30% at like an Ihop when my bill is 11 bucks because "total tips" is what matters.

They get a finite number of tables in an evening.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Tipping is a lovely thing when YOU decide to do it. The point is no one wants to be forced to tip. When the tip is required or demanded it's no longer "generous," it's something else when you feel obligated.

a shakedown, extortion

Bribery.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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As a non-American this is how I feel about tipping in general. It's so much easier to just pay people a decent wage, include it in the cost of things and then not have the pressure of tipping. That, and tipping is akin to having paid servants. i.e. " if you do a good job, and if I feel like it, I might give you some of my wad of cash. Or not, sucker.". (Of course, I do tip because the servers rely on it, I just don't…

> That, and tipping is akin to having paid servants It feels like that because that's what it is - American tipping culture has its roots in slavery.

[citation needed]

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-American this is how I feel about tipping in general. It's so much easier to just pay people a decent wage, include it in the cost of things and then not have the pressure of tipping. That, and tipping is akin to having paid servants. i.e. " if you do a good job, and if I feel like it, I might give you some of my wad of cash. Or not, sucker.". (Of course, I do tip because the servers rely on it, I just don't…

> That, and tipping is akin to having paid servants It feels like that because that's what it is - American tipping culture has its roots in slavery.

[citation needed]

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

Tipping is the worst possible thing for everyone involved. Your employer should be paying you a living wage, not expecting the customers to do so with tips.

I highly recommend you check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

Tipping doesn't really say much about a person other than how easily they fall for societal pressure and guilt.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I was going to type 10% of this, but you nailed it perfectly. "I'm doing a startup" is often a trap that allows you to justify not properly supporting yourself. Get a job, do it well, and make your startup work in the extra hours. If you can't find the time, you're not meant to be starting anything up.

By getting a job, it will interfere with what I need to do. I make my own hours, which is very important. I do 40 hrs driving and 40 hrs on my company every week. Right now I am at the tail end of the stretch and I am already starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel (funding). "Honey Badger does not give a sh*t, if it's hungry, it's hungry"

Well, I wouldn't consider yourself funded until the term sheet is signed and the money has been wired.

You'll get a lot of "warm" courtship interest from investors who actually are just scoping out the field, so to speak, and you'll run into ones who have cold feet and back out at the last minute (I even had an outstanding term sheet get withdrawn once).

Just be careful. Investors are often very two-faced.

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