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Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Sure, but if you're not used to tipping, it can be confusing to figure out what services you should and should not tip for.

No. It's simple. Just don't give a fuck and never tip - social norms be damned. If they want a certain amount then they should just charge that amount and cut out the tipping BS.

If you're visiting a culture, you generally try to adhere to its norms as much as reasonable, to avoid causing offense.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

This is a good point, but I do want to note one caveat, which is that in a lot of restaurants now tips, at least those that aren't in cash, are split between front and back of house staff. This means that even if you tip extra for the purposes of rewarding your waiter/ress for their service, it may not go to them. This does not mean you shouldn't tip extra if the service was great, amazing, etc., but just something t…

I'm not sure why this is a caveat or how it is responsive to the post you are responding to. losteverything's post wasn't about "rewarding your waiter/ress for their service". It was about the disproportionate effect a little extra money can have for someone that's desperately poor. That applies even more so for dishwasher, bussers and line cooks as it does for servers.

Pooled tips across both parts of the house are a step forward on a broken system. It is unfortunately very difficult to do legally in NY.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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It's not just Uber -- I've seen tip jars out in Australian food stalls with signs exhorting patrons to tip. I like not having to tip, too, but it's like the Prisoner's Dilemma: once somebody starts successfully collecting tips, everybody else feels pressure to ask for them and then the whole economy adjusts to accommodate them. That's how I think we got where we are.

There are tip jars, but there's no expectation to tip (at least in Sydney), it's just a thing if you're feeling generous that day.

Maybe this is a thing that is starting up north and slowly working its way south? In Brisbane, nobody asked for, or per se expected tips, but a tip jar was present often with a handwritten sign that said "Tipping is good karma" or "Tippers are sexy" or similar.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

I appreciate your point but you're describing charity more than you're describing tipping. Furthermore you make it sound like you're entitled to tips and charity... Which undermines both.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I don't mind tipping in principle, but I really hate the payment terminals that are preconfigured with outrageous options, so it prompts you to pick 20%, 25%, 30%, "other", so you feel like a total sleaze giving a normal 10-15% tip. It's the worst when I'm picking up takeout from a restaurant that also has tables. Like, am I supposed to tip in this scenario? Do I have to go into "other" to tip less than 20% for being…

> Do I have to go into "other" to tip less than 20% for being handed a brown bag? Yes, of course, you go into other and select 0%. You don't need to tip someone for handing you a bag, and prompting for a 20% tip is shameless.

As a Mexican, every time I go to the Bay area and take a taxi, it amazes me how the taxi payment terminals have the option of 15%, 20% and 30%.

Why would you tip a taxi?

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #526

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

Tipping is a lovely thing when YOU decide to do it. The point is no one wants to be forced to tip. When the tip is required or demanded it's no longer "generous," it's something else when you feel obligated.

a shakedown, extortion

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #348

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As a driver for Lyft who is running a startup, every penny counts to make expensive Bay Area rent. Granted, most people don't tip unless it is an airport run. I would like you to put yourself in my shoes or even someone who has children to feed and between jobs. I don't drive for Uber for a reason. Lyft legitimately cares about their drivers' well being. To you a dollar or two does not matter, but for me a good day i…

But isn't that covered in the "willing to pay more for the service" bucket? I find tipping awkward to the point of being willing to pay more for alternatives that bundle an otherwise expected tip into the service's initial pricing.

As a driver, sometimes you need to go the extra mile (no pun intended). There are times I need to help passengers carry things, go through drive throughs, catch trains using offensive driving, stopping for drunk people to puke and even serving as a makeshift therapist. The option is there, obviously I don't expect a tip for a 5 minute ride.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #536

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

This sort of post is actually yet another reason why I dislike tipping culture. I'm being guilted/pressured -- and not even by a driver -- into supporting a system in which drivers are underpaid and every customer has to individually think about how they can make up for that. When/if lots of customers start regularly tipping, I fear Uber will just take advantage of the situation to reduce wages even lower -- untenabl…

The difficult thing here is that neither of you are wrong.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #401

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In the EU, tipping is half legal -- technically it should be declared income and pay all income+social taxes ++ VAT(!) as the tip is not a direct salary but a service (and hence subject of VAT)

In the UK, which is still EU for now, you don't have to register for VAT until your income is £83k so most waiters will be ok on that one.

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Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

#560

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

If someone can afford owning a car they probably are not that poor.
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