Earlier quoted context omitted.
It will, but it doesn't yet. Cars with the second generation autopilot hardware were sold without any autopilot at all. It also had no auto park, no automatic headlights, no automatic wipers, no automatic emergency braking, no side collision warning, no lane departure warning, no automatic lane change, or summon. A 45Mph speed limited version of autosteer was enabled in an update, and maybe some of those other featur…
This is simply not true. AP2 has auto park, side collision warning, auto headlights, emergency braking, forward collision warning, 55 mph speed limit, with TACC at 80 mph.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
What vehicle that Tesla produces is most similar to the bolt? Tesla produces high end luxury cars. The Chevrolet bolt is not that.
The Bolt is GM's first practical EV. If it succeeds, GM could easily choose to compete in the luxury EV market against Tesla. If GM decided to do this, it would have many advantages over Tesla: a huge dealership and service network, lots of suppliers, easy financing, and all of the other perks you get when you buy a "normal" car from an established company.
The thing that Tesla is producing, however, is really expensive to build right now. The cost curves are great for it to come down, but until they do they are in the ironic business of selling expensive things with thin margins.
GM would find it harder than it thinks to compete against Tesla with an equivalent product. Just as Tesla is running into challenges scaling up production.
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#113As an investor of Tesla who bought into Elon's vision I've been getting more and more nervous about how the company is actually run at this point. A modern car company is as much of a production and supply chain company as it's a product and tech company. I get the feeling that due to Tesla being cutting edge in the tech department it led to all the supply chain/production problems being treated as if they are speed…
You're concerned with a 23% YTD return on the stock and a 600% return over 5 years? The market has a way of signaling if a company is totally screwed up. Looks like it isn't.
The markets can't predict the future. Investors' expectations about the future are priced into the stock, but those expectations are often wrong.
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#114My big question is, why? It seems they are selling vehicles. Are they in trouble or is this just to expand business?
Well, they plan to sell 500k vehicles a year soon which takes a huge ramp up form current production. Sure, they could increase production with current profits form sales but it would slow them down.
(I don't know how likely they are to hit that goal by the end of 2018, but they're trying.)
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#115Re: Tesla to raise $1B
#116As an investor of Tesla who bought into Elon's vision I've been getting more and more nervous about how the company is actually run at this point. A modern car company is as much of a production and supply chain company as it's a product and tech company. I get the feeling that due to Tesla being cutting edge in the tech department it led to all the supply chain/production problems being treated as if they are speed…
You're concerned with a 23% YTD return on the stock and a 600% return over 5 years? The market has a way of signaling if a company is totally screwed up. Looks like it isn't.
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#117How much of Tesla's prospects are due not to free market competition, but Elon Musk lending his credibility to Trump? What happens to his competition, who do compete in the market and take a principled stand against Trump? Is Musk still supporting Trump? I just spent some time doing a little research (below) and as far as I can tell, the answer to the questions seem unsettling, though I couldn't find many great, curr…
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#118Tesla looks like they will lose that cool new thing vibe soon, the novelty of an electric car will wear off - especially when porsche or benz come out with an electric sedan or coupe. These companies will offer a much more compelling product with the ownership value that people expect from a luxury car company. I have shopped a model S and besides the electric drivetrain it is not really that nice of a car compared t…
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#119"Interest rates up: converts down
Interest rates down: converts down
Volatility up: converts down
Volatility down: converts down
Apple strudels up: converts down
et cetera"
Converts are complicated. For one, nobody is fighting for you post-issuance. You don't (yet) hold stock, so the Board doesn't think you're pretty. Yet your bonds will be subordinated, making them swim like equity. This leads to all kinds of fun [2] when markets fail to maintain monotonicity.
Monotonicity means if a line is going up it keeps going up; never down (and vice versa) [3]. A graph for the Empire State Building with the floor number on the X axis and the height of said floor on the Y axis would be monotonically increasing. If I bent the building into a U shape, that graph would not be.
If you graph pay-offs for people in your company as a function of the stock price, you want it to be monotonic. That means interest are aligned. If your CFO makes a million dollars when the stock tanks, he's going to want the stock to tank.
Let's consider HappyCo. HappyCo has issued 10,000 shares of Common Stock. They trade at $100 per share (a $1MM market capitalization [4]). HappyCo issues 1,000 convertible bonds that can be turned into one share of Common Stock in exchange for $120 per share. To keep this easy for now, let's say HappyCo issue these converts secretly, i.e. the market can't price them in before exercise.
If the stock price is way above 130 everyone wins. If the stock price is below 130, converts lose. (Stockholders also lose.)
But what if the price is exactly 130? The market, thinking there are 10,000 shares outstanding, weighs the company in at a $1.31MM market cap. But then--dun dun dun--everyone converts. Holy shit, 1,000 new shares! At what price does this new share count (11,000) yield a $1.31MM market cap? 119.09 per share. At 129 pre-conversion, the $1.29MM company trades at 129 per share after accounting for the converts (nobody converts). At 130 pre-conversion it trades at 118.18 post-conversion. It takes us until 141.90 pre-conversion to get back to 129 post-conversion. The price goes monotonically up, but the stockholders do okay, then worse, then better again. Monotonicity was broken. An evil shareholder learning of the converts might prefer a pre-conversion price of 129 over 140.
This may seem silly. Nobody secretly issues stock [5]. The market would start pricing the converts in as the stock price approached the conversion price. How does it do that?
Options! A convert is a bond married to an option. (People once made a lot of money arbitraging converts against the issuer's stock, bond and options markets [6]). You get all the legal complexity of bonds [7] entangled with the mathematical complexity of options [8]. As I said, fun [2].
But bankers would just price things properly at the outset to ensure they maintain monotonicity, right? Well, they try to. But look at the variables in a common option valuation equation [9]. Rates, volatility, dividends, et cetera. Each of these changes the balance for converts holders. (For example, if dividends go up one might want to convert sooner, i.e. at a lower price. What if taxes go up at the same time? Who knows! Fun [2]!)
In a perfect world, each variable would iterate, one by one, like an Excel spreadsheet that isn't complaining about circularity. Investors would, one by one, plug new numbers into their models to get a clean answer. Unfortunately, we inhabit a reality where more than two aspects of it can change simultaneously.
Upshot: converts commonly ram through their boundaries all the time. When this happens, everyone converts. Actually, not everyone since each investor has a different break-even conversion price. An insurance company, with lower borrowing costs, will convert differently than an individual investor on margin. Similarly, an invest trading out of a tax-deferred IRA will convert differently than one trading straight. Fun [2]!
TL; DR Converts a lots of fun [2] for financial theoreticians, fun for market makers and hedge funds, a little less fun for bankers and an affordable source of entertainment for all.
[2] http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Losing
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotonic_function
[4] http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp
[5] http://sharesleuth.com/investigations/2012/12/small-companie...
[6] http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/1027772/boy-won...
[7] http://www.treasurer.ca.gov/cdiac/debtpubs/handbook.pdf
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black–Scholes_model
[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black–Scholes_model#Black.E2.8...
Re: Tesla to raise $1B
#120As an investor of Tesla who bought into Elon's vision I've been getting more and more nervous about how the company is actually run at this point. A modern car company is as much of a production and supply chain company as it's a product and tech company. I get the feeling that due to Tesla being cutting edge in the tech department it led to all the supply chain/production problems being treated as if they are speed…
I think the choice Tesla has right now is to fix up their supply chain and reliability issues or expand. Musk has chosen "expand". Incidentally that choice also brings focus to the supply chain -- just in a different way.
My concern is that long-term, delivering several years of great performing, flashy but not-luxurious, and very unreliable cars, is going to hurt the company in the long run. Honda and Toyota both either have or have announced vehicles competitive to the Model 3 on price, range and features. Ford already sells a couple electric vehicles at competitive prices. BMW has entered, and so on.
Amazon made the same bet years ago, focus or expand, and after years of no profitability the gamble has played off. However, Amazon also provided good service and product during those years. So far Tesla owners love their cars, even if they spend as much time in the shop as an exotic Italian car.
The other electrics don't have the brand cachet like Tesla, but they can fast follow until they simply overwhelm the much smaller company.
But, while even the iPhone is a minority smart phone these days, Apple makes most of the profits. Tesla might be able to do the same.
I don't see Tesla being the #1 electric vehicle maker in 10 years, but I do see them being a major player in the industry. Musk is also trying to diversify the company in various ways. It will be interesting to see how this pays off.