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Re: Keep the Internet Open

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I am referring to the statements and policies voted on and implemented by FCC regulators. Asking about non-politicians on the face of it seems pointless, my entire comment is about policy. And that is necessarily about the politics. The affiliation of plebians doesn't matter, what matters is the ideology of those with the power to enact the policy. Ajit Pai opposes any sort of regulation that prescribes or proscribes…

"Asking about non-politicians on the face of it seems pointless" Except that the tone of your post implies: Republicans="evil rich people" Democrats="good folks looking out for the average Joe" I don't believe it is anywhere near that simple. It was not at all clear to me that your original post was referring to FCC regulators alone. It would have been better if that would have been explicitly stated at the outset.

I said from the outset exactly what I meant to say, and subsequently offered a qualification for upon request.

Unequivocally today's Republicans are heavily weighted, not exclusive, toward classism. It is a good and proper thing that there are rich, middle, and poor. People are different, egalitarianism is P.C. nonsense, and the classes should be preserved. People aren't equal. Better people have more wealth, wealth gives them goods and services like privacy, and even better justice because they can afford better lawyers. There are very few true rights, in this neo-feudal ideology. That is what explains the policies, including that of the new FCC.

Evil? No. I don't believe in anything supernatural. And far be it from me to imply anything. I see this as objective fact. Tone isn't required.

This isn't the Republican party of the 1920's or even the 1950's where we had massive subsidies for certain kinds of public infrastructure associated with having a civil society: telephone service was subsidized, obviously roads heavily subsidized, and the postal service was subsidized in these rural areas. There was simply no other way to level the playing field. They, and Democrats, built massive amounts of infrastructure.

And like any aristocracy, Republican policies will favor established players. Netflix is now a player, and they are paying for better access. Now, this game only gets enhanced, which will act as a barrier to entry to future competitors. It's bad for free market folks, and it's bad for fair minded civil society folks, because it isn't either of those things. This is finders keepers, losers weepers. It's a party largely about classism.

And Democrats largely provide the veneer of opposition, but really that's specious. But like any crotchety old man with poor hearing, sometimes they get the message and we're not all just left eating cake.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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I don't think that NN legislation is the answer. It's a social solution to a technical problem. We shouldn't be making it illegal to discriminate between traffic types, we should be making it impossible. Encrypt everything by default, encrypt and anonymize DNS, and generally get rid of the ability for ISPs to tell one data stream from another. Unfortunately this requires re-architecting quite a lot of the Internet, s…

I don't think that will solve the problem. Even if the ISP can't tell where most of your traffic is going after it leaves their network, they're still going to be able to be able to differentiate between that traffic and traffic destined for a service they control or a third party service that cooperates with them. It stops them from penalising a particular third party service, but not from penalising everything they don't recognise in favour of what they do.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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>Bay Area and for the matter the greater tech community needs to engage the world, not withdraw from it. > Be afraid all you want, doesn't matter to me. One of these things is not like the other.

Right, one is addressing a single person that's said they afraid of talking in public for fear of blowback and another is directed to the Bay Area and greater tech community asking them to engage the world. What am I missing?

That the blowback from tech employees is a real thing which directly contributes to lack of dialog between people with different political opinions, and not caring about the individual while imploring the community at large to engage is a ridiculous and contradictory position.

A pair of riots in Berkeley within a month, San Jose during the election, the Brendan Eich situation, myriad letters from CEOs post election. To quote sama's recent post [1], "Almost everyone I asked was willing to talk to me, but almost none of them wanted me to use their names—even people from very red states were worried about getting “targeted by those people in Silicon Valley if they knew I voted for him”. One person in Silicon Valley even asked me to sign a confidentiality agreement before she would talk to me, as she worried she’d lose her job if people at her company knew she was a strong Trump supporter."

Care as much or little about the concerns of people not like you as you want, just don't act like you want to have a conversation with them too in the same breath.

1. http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Indeed, to keep a monopoly on services, there are large tech companies that could benefit as long as the ISPs don't get overly greedy where large companies will pay their way to better access to consumers. Zero rating is effectively the easiest way to have a company do this. T-Mobile semi-popularized the concept as being a 'pro for consumers' (great marketing spin, John Legere). While, I will admit freely, that T-Mob…

I knew he was into deregulating, which to me seems like a way to get new people/companies to enter the market if it works out. > I have seen NO movement toward increasing competition by stripping away unreasonable local regulations on rights of way access by Ajit Pai. He not once ever proposed this, and nor since taking FCC chain, made it an agenda item to do just this. Is that more of a local or FCC issue? I do agre…

To be clear, this is an FCC issue, in my opinion, since local and state authorities refuse to deal with it.

1) as previous stated, they may already have this authority per the 1996 Telecommunications Act, which may already give the FCC the power to dictate right of way access terms

2) If that isn't upheld as legal opinion by the courts, Ajit Pai could petition heavily congress in the name of competition and stripping out harmful local regulation that is stifling businesses from being able to compete. Congress could give the FCC this authority.

Yet, he agitates to make no such move. Its a republican controlled congress. This is a net win for de-regulation (since it simplifies this process into a standard, and done right, would make everything more efficient), its pro business AND consumer, since barrier to entry drops significantly.

Yet, the one thing that de-regulation could accomplish, and I feel relatively easily, he does NOT do.

I don't think he actually wants competition. He wants to let existing ISPs lock in their customers and regions. All the actual actions he's taken thus far, do just that.

the other thing he could do is declare ALL FCC franchise rules null and void. (for those unfamiliar, this gives a great run down of the current structure of FCC franchises around broadband https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-180A1.p...)

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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While I like the Internet being open, I don't like "net neutrality" extremism. 1) While I dislike monopoly carrier antics, I'm even more unhappy about the idea of government bureaucrats dictating network engineering standards to carriers and ISPs. If you build a network with caches/content servers close to users, and expensive backhaul back to your network core, you can offer essentially unlimited traffic to users hi…

> The real problems with lack of NN are due to lack of competition in the access provider market. Focus on fixing that.

Easier said than done. As with utilities like power, water, or gas, it's not exactly that easy to get multiple companies running infrastructure to every home.

And to be clear, all of Americas Internet provider problems stem from the last mile monopolies, not the core infrastructure.

I agree there is a lot of detrimental regulatory overhead, but I disagree that it is the primary hurdle.

Last mile infastructure is not fluid. If the customer doesn't buy, it can't be sold to someone else and the builder is stuck with the bill. It's just too expensive to build and maintain for investors to want to enter in saturated markets.

Actually, this is why I feel wireless networks need less regulation than wired ones. Radio spectrum is fluid and normal market marchanics are more at play.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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reasonable political ideologies can lead to "extreme" outcomes. (I consider an extreme outcome to be one that requires human nature to change, in order to be successful.) Since I think bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, handing them power over anything is a terrible idea. Are companies good? no, many of them are terrible. But if enough people don't like a company, the company ceases to exist. I've yet to see a similar…

Comcast is one of the most hated companies ever but they only keep getting bigger. "Bureaucrats" are ultimately responsive to the politicians which are ultimately responsive to us, as we see with Trump now getting the power to reshape Obama's FCC policies. I'll tell you this, if they really go through with giving the web over to the ISPs for them to ruin with nickel and dime schemes voters will eventually force your…

Right, but Comcast doesn't imprison people for life and bomb other countries or throw you in jail for not paying for its services.

Also, bureaucrats are responsible to the organizations most influential to them. "The American People" can barely be motivated to vote in a presidential election, because they rightfully perceive that their votes don't matter, and a vote between two shitty options is a shitty vote.

So, businesses (like Comcast) can just earmark a few million dollars a year to keep buying whatever organization has the power to regulate them, and we (the people) can do nothing about it.

The reason I strongly dislike Net Neutrality is _because_ comcast is horrible and hated. It's reasonable to assume that as we speak, the comcast executive team is figuring out how to best wine and dine top FCC officials.

Because that's way cheaper than being a better company.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

reasonable political ideologies can lead to "extreme" outcomes. (I consider an extreme outcome to be one that requires human nature to change, in order to be successful.) Since I think bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, handing them power over anything is a terrible idea. Are companies good? no, many of them are terrible. But if enough people don't like a company, the company ceases to exist. I've yet to see a similar…

They have fewer resources and are easier to ignore.

The bureaucrats are easier to ignore?

If you violate some obscure statute, you can be fined. (At best.) If you don't pay the fine, the penalties can escalate until the local police or feds arrest you (at gunpoint, if you resist) and lock you in a box.

There's 180,000 pages in the federal register [0].

How is that "easy to ignore"?

I'll take "business that I can stop paying at any time" over "armed gunmen with the legal authority to arrest me" every time.

[0] https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/sites/regulatory...

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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I resent the accusation. It's like saying the poor Iraqi is better off getting free coca-cola, and getting locked into coca-cola for the rest of his life, than actually getting water (and, if they desire, the possibility of coca-cola). A country growing its infrastructure, which is apparently not yet essential, under the perverse influence of a non-neutral playing field, is a country that will have immense trouble sh…

And this is exactly where I philosophically disagree with you. I would rather the Iraqi have access to Wikipedia than have no internet at all. It's saying that you, as a rich American, know what's best for poor foreigners. You would demand someone get everything, or they get nothing.

What if instead of wikipedia it was zombo.com?

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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If Telco Carriers continue to invest in their wireless infrastructure, then data "fast lanes" will emerge naturally.

In the Carnegie model, 2G and 3G towers could be subsidized for accessing Wikipedia (for example) while new 5G towers are only available to premium subscribers.

Look at the Millions be spent dismantling the 2G network. That bandwidth could be subsidized by the FCC for the common good. https://www.att.com/esupport/article.html#!/wireless/KM10696...

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Other than below what are some of the other arguments against NN? I also have a number from 0 to 5 next to each indicating how plausible I find these arguments, please shed more light on this if needed as well:

- 3 caching, if you're closer to a cache edge you pay less.

- 1 we give you a heavily discounted data plan but show you only content we want to make money off of you, argument being at least you get something instead of nothing if you're very poor.

- 2 regulations are mostly bad, you don't want government sticking its nose in everything.

- 0 monopolies want their moat to grow.

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