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Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by fao_ »

et-al wrote: post #80
bogomipz wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you looked at the "Downloaded" column on that link most of the CS courses haven't been downloaded. Also when I click on a link like I am redirected to youtube where the content is as of now still available. Am I missing something?

[edited out my comment to reduce the noise -- see comments below]

No, the latest statement is that they're still missing a lot of the youtube videos.

"""Most of the Youtube videos on the channel right now are NOT on archive.org. I have asked multiple times in the comments and even inboxed the guy who made the original thread about whether archive.org actually had everything and just hadn't uploaded it yet, and got no responses. If anyone knows that these have in fact been downloaded already, please let us know. But just look at archive.org, there's just a PORTION of what's available on Youtube right now. """

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5z2499/many_of...

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#102

Post by ilyaeck »

et-al wrote: post #80
bogomipz wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you looked at the "Downloaded" column on that link most of the CS courses haven't been downloaded. Also when I click on a link like I am redirected to youtube where the content is as of now still available. Am I missing something?

[edited out my comment to reduce the noise -- see comments below]

94 videos at this point - only a small fraction.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#103

Post by mathgeek »

WillyOnWheels wrote: post #91
Zungaron wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ADA already reconciles these viewpoints, by allowing for people who would otherwise be in violation to claim exemption because complying would cause an undue burden. So we shouldn't expect a random person on the internet to pay for captioning 20,000 videos, because that would be (presumably) ridiculously outside their means. On the other hand, it's reasonable to assume that a university that could recently afford…

It's fun to assume things! Anecdotal evidence I hear from UC Berkeley employees is that there just is no money to be had. The real solution is spend the money to make the videos ADA compliant. I don't know how much that would be but UC Berkeley isn't interested in spending the amount it would take, whatever it is. The multi hundred dollar stadium renovation is now, with laser like 20/20 hindsight, considered a disast…

> Anecdotal evidence I hear from UC Berkeley employees is that there just is no money to be had.

I think this is missing a trailing "... due to the budget being allocated elsewhere."

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#105

Post by mjevans »

roland-s wrote: post #98
BeetleB wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Denying billions of people across the world access to quality information because of the needs of maybe a million deaf in the US is ridiculous and a loss for the world. While I don't take sides on the issue, I will point out that this line of reasoning can be used to justify anything against any minority. The whole point of having this law is to negate this argument. It is (almost by definition) counterproductive to…

Laws are often written with good intentions but enforced rigidly and with little common sense. A balance is needed between individualism and utilitarianism. At what point do my civil rights, when enforced by the state, infringe on yours? Who gets to determine which rights are worth protecting? Who draws the cost/benefit line in the sand? Not all men are created equal, but in a liberal democracy we mold society into o…

I completely agree. The issue is that these are 'free' 'as is'.

The correct solution should be an exemption for public access/domain materials, which OTHERS can provide additional materials for as they desire, from being compliant.

There is a difference in contributing to the common good, and discriminating against differently-abled CUSTOMERS.

This is a great example of where a different group, such as a charity or some group benefiting from it (maybe students who produce and release to P.D. transcripts for extra credit) could continue the effort of making the content a more vibrant part of the knowledge of our species.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#106

Post by BeetleB »

roland-s wrote: post #98
BeetleB wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Denying billions of people across the world access to quality information because of the needs of maybe a million deaf in the US is ridiculous and a loss for the world. While I don't take sides on the issue, I will point out that this line of reasoning can be used to justify anything against any minority. The whole point of having this law is to negate this argument. It is (almost by definition) counterproductive to…

Laws are often written with good intentions but enforced rigidly and with little common sense. A balance is needed between individualism and utilitarianism. At what point do my civil rights, when enforced by the state, infringe on yours? Who gets to determine which rights are worth protecting? Who draws the cost/benefit line in the sand? Not all men are created equal, but in a liberal democracy we mold society into o…

>Laws are often written with good intentions but enforced rigidly and with little common sense. A balance is needed between individualism and utilitarianism. At what point do my civil rights, when enforced by the state, infringe on yours? Who gets to determine which rights are worth protecting? Who draws the cost/benefit line in the sand? Not all men are created equal, but in a liberal democracy we mold society into one that provides equality in spite of our innate disparities.

Yes, as I said: The old individualism vs utilitarianism debate.

My point in highlighting that this is a centuries old debate is that:

1. There will be no clear obvious answer.

2. Hence a topic like this will usually garner a very lively discussion, with (mostly) no outcome.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by BeetleB »

pnathan wrote: post #88
closeparen wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold both views. The subtitle requirement doesn't apply to members of the general public. It applies to large institutions which know better, and have the resources to comply. If Berkeley is embarrassed, some other university takes the time to subtitle its video content in the future to avoid a similar mess, and the public gets to keep the Berkeley videos, that's the best possible outcome short of Berkeley captioni…

> The point isn't "if people with disabilities can't have it, no one can." That's just an unfortunate cost of enforcement. That adds substantial costs, and the end result, without additional funding, is no one gets it. Thanks for nothing.

>That adds substantial costs, and the end result, without additional funding, is no one gets it.

What do you mean "without additional funding"?

All federal grants to universities are by definition "additional funding".

And they only have to comply because they are getting this "additional funding". The university is deciding not to allocate this "additional funding" for this purpose, which is being construed as a violation.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#108

Post by euyyn »

Zungaron wrote: post #85
BeetleB wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, and there was no ruling, as this never went to trial. Berkeley removed the content instead of negotiating for a reasonable timeframe to update it. Yes, I realize now that this did not go to court. However, you have not shown how my interpretation is incorrect.

Here's the letter the DoJ sent to Berkeley. Note the lack of hard deadlines or requirements the content be removed. Also note the date. https://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-08...

Thanks for the link! It's interesting to me that captioning the videos wouldn't have been enough to solve all the accessibility issues. In some cases, the preference to just record the lecture again is obvious, as in "the lecturer pointed to and talked about parts of a drawing without describing the drawing first, making it inaccessible to vision-impaired people".

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by bogomipz »

ilyaeck wrote: post #102
et-al wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[edited out my comment to reduce the noise -- see comments below]

94 videos at this point - only a small fraction.

The current status seems to be:

>"Edit: Everything has been accounted for and is in the process of downloading, thank you to everyone who helped,"

I wish I had known about this issue earlier, I would have liked to have helped.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#110

Post by toomuchtodo »

bogomipz wrote: post #109
ilyaeck wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

94 videos at this point - only a small fraction.

The current status seems to be: >"Edit: Everything has been accounted for and is in the process of downloading, thank you to everyone who helped," I wish I had known about this issue earlier, I would have liked to have helped.

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