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Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by BeetleB »

derekp7 wrote: post #71
BeetleB wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What it comes down to is no action is being taken against a minority. In your earlier comment, you phrased it as "Denying billions" . Either it is an action, or it is not. You cannot make it an action for only one group. >The existence of videos not optimal for the deaf (because they can certainly watch them and benefit from google's increasingly effective auto captions) isn't discrimination. I truly appreciate you…

What if a particular classroom has no impacted users, so there isn't (for example) a sign language translator in the class. Now the instructor left the door opened, and doesn't mind if someone loitering in the hallway overhears the lecture. Should the school be required to always provide a sign language interpreter, just in case a deaf person walks through the hallway and wants to observer part of the class from the…

Disclaimer: I am not necessarily agreeing with UCB's decision.

Your argument can be made, but as I said elsewhere, we can only know if this is tested in court.

The counterargument to what you are saying is that leaving the door open is not done in order to benefit others in the hallway, whereas explicitly putting the videos on a web site is an active action. UCB would have trouble claiming that they're putting the videos up there, but not to benefit anyone.

Put another way, using your analogy, no one would complain if the professor decided to close the door. If people outside were listening, they have no say on the professor's decision.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by BeetleB »

Zungaron wrote: post #77
BeetleB wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this. I am not saying I agree with the rule. I am pointing out the reason UCB has to take this action. The option proposed by the commenter is not one that UCB can legally take. If my interpretation of the ruling/law is wrong, please correct me.

Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, and there was no ruling, as this never went to trial. Berkeley removed the content instead of negotiating for a reasonable timeframe to update it.

>Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, and there was no ruling, as this never went to trial. Berkeley removed the content instead of negotiating for a reasonable timeframe to update it.

Yes, I realize now that this did not go to court. However, you have not shown how my interpretation is incorrect.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by yogeshp »

theli0nheart wrote: post #21

Could someone make a torrent with all of the videos? I would but I've never done it before and don't have the time to learn. :(

Torrents for some of the non-CS courses are available at

http://academictorrents.com/collection/video-lectures

Hope more courses are added before they are taken down from YouTube and iTunes.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by mehaveaccount »

citrusx wrote: post #74
yourapostasy wrote: post #55

The proximate cause of this removal is Gallaudet University [1] [2]. What possible motivation could have moved those employees to file on behalf of their university? Malicious intent (they didn't want the free material competing with their courses)? Lack of gratitude (the material is free , but that's not enough)? Zealotry (everything, even free content, must meet their ADA compliance standards)? Simple lack of think…

I really hate to say this, but I think that the "darkening of the net" is the intent. There are far too many people there who subscribe to the "Deaf Persons as a separate race" idea, and look at sticking a thumb in the eye of the non-deaf to be a Good Thing. I really hope I'm wrong.

It is bizarre though, the Deaf Community outpaces even mexican -flag waving La Raza types in their desire to make other Americans pay for a separate piece of the US for themselves.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by Zungaron »

BeetleB wrote: post #82
Zungaron wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, and there was no ruling, as this never went to trial. Berkeley removed the content instead of negotiating for a reasonable timeframe to update it.

>Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, and there was no ruling, as this never went to trial. Berkeley removed the content instead of negotiating for a reasonable timeframe to update it. Yes, I realize now that this did not go to court. However, you have not shown how my interpretation is incorrect.

Here's the letter the DoJ sent to Berkeley. Note the lack of hard deadlines or requirements the content be removed. Also note the date.

https://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-08...

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by MichaelGG »

closeparen wrote: post #78
SilasX wrote: post #49

I deeply apologize if this is off topic, but this request highlights an issue with the original debate, where posters were tripping over each others to express indignation about Berkeley releasing these videos without disability accommodations, reiterating the same arguments for the ADA, and asserting that those same considerations apply here. If you thought the judgment against Berkeley was justified-- that they cou…

I hold both views. The subtitle requirement doesn't apply to members of the general public. It applies to large institutions which know better, and have the resources to comply. If Berkeley is embarrassed, some other university takes the time to subtitle its video content in the future to avoid a similar mess, and the public gets to keep the Berkeley videos, that's the best possible outcome short of Berkeley captioni…

Is it? Places will just not publish rather than deal with the hassle, no?

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by sbuccini »

CalChris wrote: post #62
Abundnce10 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been looking for CS 161 but it doesn't look like it's available unfortunately.

Again, the course notes (Wagner's for the most part) are really excellent. http://www-inst.cs.berkeley.edu/~cs161/sp16/ The slides are really excellent. You will miss the opportunity of Weaver frothing at the mouth and using expletives willy nilly. Popa is clearly smart but needs to turn her mic up. This is a great course. Unless Kubi is teaching 162, anyone should sub 161 for 162. And suffer. Berkeley has a murderer…

You didn't even mention Paxson and Shenker, who are big in ICSI as well. However, 161 is substantially easier than 162 doing the substitution you recommend should reduce suffering.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by pnathan »

closeparen wrote: post #78
SilasX wrote: post #49

I deeply apologize if this is off topic, but this request highlights an issue with the original debate, where posters were tripping over each others to express indignation about Berkeley releasing these videos without disability accommodations, reiterating the same arguments for the ADA, and asserting that those same considerations apply here. If you thought the judgment against Berkeley was justified-- that they cou…

I hold both views. The subtitle requirement doesn't apply to members of the general public. It applies to large institutions which know better, and have the resources to comply. If Berkeley is embarrassed, some other university takes the time to subtitle its video content in the future to avoid a similar mess, and the public gets to keep the Berkeley videos, that's the best possible outcome short of Berkeley captioni…

> The point isn't "if people with disabilities can't have it, no one can." That's just an unfortunate cost of enforcement.

That adds substantial costs, and the end result, without additional funding, is no one gets it.

Thanks for nothing.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by DanBC »

SilasX wrote: post #49

I deeply apologize if this is off topic, but this request highlights an issue with the original debate, where posters were tripping over each others to express indignation about Berkeley releasing these videos without disability accommodations, reiterating the same arguments for the ADA, and asserting that those same considerations apply here. If you thought the judgment against Berkeley was justified-- that they cou…

> deaf-unusable videos

Not just deaf people. The video was inaccessible to a wide range of people.

If private citizens want to take the content and torrent it that's fine.

If Berkeley want to release video they should obey the nearly 30 year old law --and their own policies-- and make the content accessible, especially when they're taking both fees from students and government grants.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by i336_ »

jtokoph wrote: post #72
Dangeranger wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone been able to use youtube-dl to archive the CS61B-2016-Spring? 'Computer Science 61B, 002 - Spring 2015' https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-XXv-cvA_iDD4nnsfVIq... Unfortunately this content appears to be throwing HTTP 500 server errors while downloading according to the verbose output. If anyone has that content I'd be interested to know what worked for you.

I have no clue why that error is happening but I was getting the same result. Skipping the first video got it to run for me: youtube-dl --playlist-start 2 "https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-XXv-cvA_iDD4nnsfVIqPFORTgZi9xRp"

For whatever reason the first video is downloading fine for me [edit: no it's not, see below]. Try again maybe?

If it still refuses to work for anyone else, I have like 80KB/s upload (ADSL2+ FTL) but I'm fine with uploading it.

EDIT - HERE YOU GO: The highest quality video (format code 136) is WORKING, but the highest quality (189k) audio (format code 251) is what's failing. So fall back to the next highest quality (132k; format code 140). So '-f 136+140'. I've __successfully__ downloaded with these settings.

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