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Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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> Everything in a person should be excellent Probably nitpicking, but I'd translate "прекрасно" as "beautiful" here.

I think "exellent" is an excellent choice of the word (beautiful ≈ красиво).

As our workshop teacher in USSR's school said once to us: "всё что технически-совершенно то прекрасно" - "everything that is technically perfect / harmonious is beautiful".

I would say that "прекрасно" is "harmonious and so beautiful" in this context.

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I notice this theme again and again in every "change yourself" book, show, class, lecture. Be it weight loss, improving mental health, curing addiction, becoming a better writer/photographer/programmer, the theme all comes down to a battle against yourself. Fighting the desire to snack, fighting the desire to lay on the couch instead of going to the gym, fighting the desire to veg and watch netflix instead of watchin…

> the theme all comes down to a battle against yourself Perhaps "control" and "battle" are the wrong model. Some broad, general suggestions based on what experts have said: Respect yourself: If you are doing something over and over again despite not wanting to, there probably is a good reason for it, a legitimate healthy need, even if the expression of that need is unhealthy. Respect that need and its priority as leg…

I like this. Very well put.

However, I can't seem to be able to make a connection with the examples your parent comment mentioned. For example, if you want to lose weight but keep eating fast food despite that---what is the healthy need manifesting through that, and how do you address it in some other, good way? Same with being addicted to e.g. alcohol or smoking.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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Chekhov was very popular in Russian schools up until early 90s because of his writing style. You're absolutely spot on that he writes in very plain Russian. Dostoevsky has some mindfuck-inducing way or getting across to the reader. His writing is difficult even for a lot of native Russian speakers. L.N. Tolstoy also has some easy reading ( Детство. Отрочество. Юность / Childhood, Boyhood, and Youth is my favorite)

What happened after the early 90s?

The Soviet Union fell, among other things.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I think "exellent" is an excellent choice of the word (beautiful ≈ красиво).

Not really. Excellent is closer to идеально. Both imply relative comparison (to others). Beautiful is an absolute characteristic, same as красиво, so it's a better fit here.

'идеально' suggests perfection, 'excellent' just quality.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I am an American living in Russia. When I was studying Russian I read a number of Chekhov's short stories and got a feel for who he was. I later came across one of his quotes: "В человеке должно быть все прекрасно: и лицо, и одежда, и душа, и мысли" (Everything in a person should be excellent: his face, his clothes, his soul and his ideas). I sometimes discussed this phrase with Russians, eventually coming to be beli…

>I personally saw it and even touched his nose.

And? Any luck?

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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Standard Ebooks looks to be a very interesting project. Is there a story behind the project that details how you got started and who are the main contributors?

A 'Show HN' [0] or a write-up on indiehackers.com [1] would be awesome and could you more contributors.

I subscribed to your RSS feed [2] that announces your new publications but it lacks a URL for me to download the Ebook right away.

Also, is there a way for omnivoracious readers like me to download all your Ebooks in a mega .zip file at one go?

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[2] https://standardebooks.org/opds/all

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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TFW you're voted down immediately for calling out sexism which, though very explicit, has so far gone uncommented upon [edit] - could someone please explain why they're voting me down?

I didn't down vote you but my guess is: The guy has been dead for over a hundred years now. Everybody knows society was more patriarchal back then, pointing it out just sounds like virtue signaling.

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Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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TFW you're voted down immediately for calling out sexism which, though very explicit, has so far gone uncommented upon [edit] - could someone please explain why they're voting me down?

I didn't down vote you but my guess is: The guy has been dead for over a hundred years now. Everybody knows society was more patriarchal back then, pointing it out just sounds like virtue signaling.

I really dislike this term 'virtue signaling'. Although I do not deny the phenomenon, I think that it often functions to shut down debate (kind of like an anti-PC device)

To add more substance to my original comment, however (I admit, I should have done so at the start) I was surprised and disapointed to find dozens of comments discussing the virtues (and the odd minor criticism/update) of Chekhov's 'conditions' without any mention (however historically situated) of the clear prejudice, with it which excludes over half of humanity from a 'cultured' existence.

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> They do not ask for the cleverness which shows itself in continual lying. They want especially, if they are artists, freshness, elegance, humanity, the capacity for motherhood ugh. Cut the misogynistic crap please Chekhov

TFW you're voted down immediately for calling out sexism which, though very explicit, has so far gone uncommented upon [edit] - could someone please explain why they're voting me down?

>TFW you're voted down immediately for calling out sexism which, though very explicit, has so far gone uncommented upon

What reaction were you hoping for? That we'd refuse to read the thoughts of someone who lived 150 years ago because you deem one line sexist?

It's more shocking to me that someone could read a letter like this and get only "author is sexist" as the message.

By the way, "freshness, elegance, humanity, the capacity for motherhood" are traits I looked for (and found) in a mate. Guess he's not wrong.

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I am an American living in Russia. When I was studying Russian I read a number of Chekhov's short stories and got a feel for who he was. I later came across one of his quotes: "В человеке должно быть все прекрасно: и лицо, и одежда, и душа, и мысли" (Everything in a person should be excellent: his face, his clothes, his soul and his ideas). I sometimes discussed this phrase with Russians, eventually coming to be beli…

> Everything in a person should be excellent Probably nitpicking, but I'd translate "прекрасно" as "beautiful" here.

Russian here. "Excellent" is better.

"Прекрасно" is "good in every way", "perfect", it is something that cause wonder and delight or feeling of exaltation. So it's not about beauty. It's about what beauty of something do to you.

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