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Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

redditmigrant wrote: post #536
masondixon wrote: post #375

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> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

Im curious, what is PC terminology? - Is it the act of calling a homosexual person, gay instead of fag? - Is it referring to black people as african-americans and not niggers? - Is it referring to Muslim people as muslim people and not ragheads? - Is it referring to people of east asian heritage as Asian and not chinks? Its 2017, so if we have to watch our words so that we dont disrespect people who have been humilia…

> Is it the act of calling a homosexual person, gay instead of fag?

Using the term 'homosexual person' is not PC. Are you a homophobe or what? :P

http://americablog.com/2007/07/dear-washington-post-please-s...

https://www.quora.com/Which-is-more-appropriate-homosexual-o...

If I was on the left, I could make a big deal out of your incorrect use of the word homosexual, and I could make it look like you are as bad as someone calling someone a fag in an intentionally derogative way.

> Is it referring to black people as african-americans and not niggers?

Black people is not PC. Dude, are you a racist or what?

The correct term is person-of-color. But do not say "colored person" or you will receive a massive social media outcry.

"But I am not a racist you say?". Doesn't matter, once you say the wrong word, you are already one of them.

> Is it referring to Muslim people as muslim people and not ragheads? > Is it referring to people of east asian heritage as Asian and not chinks?

2017 PC is not about using derrogatory terms.

> In 2017...its not much to ask for.

It seems like it is for you, because in your post you have used the incorrect terms.

Now, are you a racist and a homophobe?

The right would assume you are not.

The left will be keeping their eye on you, and now have material to take you down in the future if they want to.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

nostrademons wrote: post #416
masondixon wrote: post #375

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> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

I think it's more accurate that both the extreme right and extreme left are the parties of authoritarianism, and the center is about freedom. Leftists want to police what you say, what you think, how you earn your living, and who you associate with. Rightists want to police what you believe, what you do with your body, what substances you inhale, and how you travel. Both sides would do well with a chill pill and the…

I hope someday we can return to a world with more people thinking like you.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

pm90 wrote: post #425
masondixon wrote: post #375

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> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

Definition: favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom. I'm specifically referring to the current WH. It's authoritarian because it refuses to accept facts and wants to distort them to fit its own narrative. It will discredit the press if it does not "fall in line".

> It's authoritarian because it refuses to accept facts and wants to distort them to fit its own narrative. It will discredit the press if it does not "fall in line".

And on the right, its the press who is distorting facts for their own narrative.

The press being discredited is justified. And there is no problem with this. Imagine if all the MSM press was like Fox News? What would you say then? Your argument would flip around 180 degrees and you would be fine with news being discredited.

The press are just people. Look at how hard it is to have a debate with a liberal these days - do you think newsrooms would enjoy having Trump supporters as co-workers. Nope. They like having people around them with the same opinions, so we get the liberal MSM echo-chamber.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

pharrlax wrote: post #603
masondixon wrote: post #375

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> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

>The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose the wrong words, you are finished. "Freedom of speech" has nothing to do with social opprobrium. Freedom of speech means the government is not going to step i…

The left blockades right-wing events to prevent people speaking. They physically try to prevent speech.

I think a lot of democrats don't see what is happening in the progressive left. I use to identify as a democrat, but after seeing this stuff, I no longer can.

You can associate with whoever you like. 100% agree.

Re: employment. So if you accidentally referred to someone as "colored" instead of "person-of-color", and you get fired for it...you are happy about this? You want to live in this kind of society?

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

wyldfire wrote: post #456
masondixon wrote: post #375

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> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

IMO boiling down the complexity of politics to a single axis is deceptive. Sure it makes it easy to find yourself on the map, but it really lends itself to a narrative of "ok here's US on the map. Over there is THEM." IMO authoritarianism is totally orthogonal to right/left. It's clearly the case that members of both espouse changes that would limit our freedoms.

Right now I see plenty of examples on the left. Especially physically preventing speakers at right-wing events.

But I do not see the same kind of stuff from the right.

I'm not saying its always like this, but right now, this is how it is.

I mean give me an example where someone's free speech on the left was prevented?

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

linkregister wrote: post #410
masondixon wrote: post #375

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> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

What legal/government-imposed consequences have arisen from the type of speech you are talking about?

The left physically prevents speakers at right-wing events.

Protests blocking highways and roads to right-wing events.

During the campaign name a single time when Trump supporters tried to prevent a left-wing speaking event happening?

The right is like "hey i think you are wrong, here is why".

The left is like "hey i think you are wrong, don't talk to me".

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

cromwellian wrote: post #517
masondixon wrote: post #354

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> Than why so many leaked memos show that Bannon and Miller want to reduce family Visas for those already legally here? From http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14773298/mer... : "Reforming the immigration system to be more “merit-based” is predicated on the idea that some of these slots are going to the wrong immigrants — immigrants who don’t have as much to give the US as the US has to give them. Propon…

> I could not find the quote from Bannon or Miller saying that "Camp of the Saints is my favourite novel"? Where can I find this? So you are able to dig up quotes supporting your spin, but couldn't run a Google search finding a quote on Camp of the Saints? Here, this HuffPo article links directly to SoundCloud interviews where you can hear him say it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-camp-of-the... Re…

> Here, this HuffPo article links directly to SoundCloud interviews where you can hear him say it:

I cannot find it. Please give me a timecode. It being his favourite novel is implied from MSM is it not?

> Bannon: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon responded before trailing off, according to the Post.

Me and you will both have the opportunity to wait and see what happens.

Right now the left is all about scary predictions. Tell me an objective measure we can use in 4 years (or 2 if he is impeached as you like to predict), that we can point to to say that you were right and I was wrong about Bannon.

> I'd say the biggest problem isn't the immigrants, it's the education system and the culture.

H1B's are good to hire because there is the threat of having to leave, and losing ability to go for green card if they are fired. So they accept low wages, you don't have to give them pay rises, they will not leave for another company.

This is ripe for abuse. So its not just education and culture, its also government immigration policies -- and this is not the fault of the immigrants -- no-one is saying the immigrants are at fault here...

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by masondixon »

ntelson1s wrote: post #422
masondixon wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Than why so many leaked memos show that Bannon and Miller want to reduce family Visas for those already legally here? From http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14773298/mer... : "Reforming the immigration system to be more “merit-based” is predicated on the idea that some of these slots are going to the wrong immigrants — immigrants who don’t have as much to give the US as the US has to give them. Propon…

Get your facts outta here. Can't you see people are trying to force a perceived threat based on their feelings here?

;)

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by dragonwriter »

int_19h wrote: post #627
rs1234 wrote: post #314

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Yes. I am non-ironically suggesting exactly that. Indentured servitude emerged as a solution to a socio-economic need in a bygone era, like the H1B does now. Neither is a perfect system, and all stakeholders concerned - the company, the employee, competing employees, society - get some benefits, some pain. But overall, American society is the net beneficiary of the education, skills, and entrepreneurial drive that im…

People who criticize H1B are not generally criticizing skilled immigration in general. They're pointing out that the way H1B is set up, it's a very poor implementation of skilled immigration, especially when you compare it to other countries (like, say, Canada). The ongoing discussion about switching to a points-based system for workers, for example, necessarily implies that skilled immigration track remains.

> They're pointing out that the way H1B is set up, it's a very poor implementation of skilled immigration

H-1B is primarily a guest worker program, not a skilled immigration program. That is why despite allowing dual intent, the H-1B is a non-immigrant visa. There are skill-based immigrant visas in the US system, the H-1B just isn't one of them.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by pm90 »

masondixon wrote: post #653
pm90 wrote: post #425

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Definition: favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom. I'm specifically referring to the current WH. It's authoritarian because it refuses to accept facts and wants to distort them to fit its own narrative. It will discredit the press if it does not "fall in line".

> It's authoritarian because it refuses to accept facts and wants to distort them to fit its own narrative. It will discredit the press if it does not "fall in line". And on the right, its the press who is distorting facts for their own narrative. The press being discredited is justified. And there is no problem with this. Imagine if all the MSM press was like Fox News? What would you say then? Your argument would fl…

> And on the right, its the press who is distorting facts for their own narrative.

> The press being discredited is justified.

Its not simple being discredited, its being regarded as unnecessary. Sure you can discredit the press they're not perfect. But you cannot attempt to discard them or regard any criticism as fake.

> And there is no problem with this. Imagine if all the MSM press was like Fox News? What would you say then? Your argument would flip around 180 degrees and you would be fine with news being discredited.

Excuse me? Do you have a point here? Sure if all the food I ever ate started smelling bad, I would say all food in the world smells bad. What is your point?

> The press are just people. Look at how hard it is to have a debate with a liberal these days - do you think newsrooms would enjoy having Trump supporters as co-workers. Nope. They like having people around them with the same opinions, so we get the liberal MSM echo-chamber.

Bullshit. The reason they have Trump supporters is because a lot of American people are Trump supporters. And their willingness to work with people with different beliefs shows that they are willing to debate with them. You are contradicting yourself.

All of this is, again, besides the point that the current WH is authoritarian.

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