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Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by bayesian_horse »

ThomPete wrote: post #177
bayesian_horse wrote: post #32

One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

If you look at it from "most resourceful" it's fairly easy and as far as I remember to have read also how it's normally seen. I.e. the US get 80% of the most resourceful immigrants while ex Europe get 80% of the least resourceful. Will see if I can dig up the report.

Which doesn't mean immigration policies have anything to do with that.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by outworlder »

xt_cube wrote: post #520

This argument is weak... In my humble opinion not only are we doing a terrible job at educating our youth; but we are also condemning large numbers of them to a live of poverty. Who is to say what our underprivileged youth could accomplish with the proper support and education? Yes, this country was built by immigrants; but things have changed, we must accept that. Long gone are the days of prosperity for all. I woul…

What does that have to do with the subject? I seem to have scored a critical miss on my reading check.

Do you mean that there is an immigration problem in Flint, Michigan?

This data answers a simple question: is immigration a net gain or loss for the economy? Data seems to indicate it is a net gain. Is it evenly distributed? It is indeed a real problem, with or without immigration.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by shas3 »

xt_cube wrote: post #520

This argument is weak... In my humble opinion not only are we doing a terrible job at educating our youth; but we are also condemning large numbers of them to a live of poverty. Who is to say what our underprivileged youth could accomplish with the proper support and education? Yes, this country was built by immigrants; but things have changed, we must accept that. Long gone are the days of prosperity for all. I woul…

Your comment is premised on the notion that immigration vs. locals is a zero-sum game. It is not uniformly so.

Restrictionists claim: "If fewer Mexicans, Indians, and Chinese came to the US, then American citizens would be better off."

There frankly isn't compelling evidence that this will happen. The number of immigrants using up social services is minuscule and the amount of tax coming from 100s of thousands of H1Bs (and illegals/undocumenteds) is all going into social services used by veterans, American seniors, etc.

On top of this, because immigrants are usually the cream of their own societies and/or have taken big risks coming to the US, themselves and their children contribute via starting new businesses, etc.

This notion that immigration is part of a zero-sum game is likely flawed.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by bayesian_horse »

Oxitendwe wrote: post #381
bayesian_horse wrote: post #32

One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

>Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane How do you think it would affect a country to suddenly have a very large amount of low-skill immigrants? How would the native citizens, the people by which their government is held accountable and to whose interests their government's purpose is to advance, be affected? The answer is probably that they would be very adversely effected, in w…

Humane or inhumane behavior has nothing to do with economic circumstances.

You assume some people have a right to the infrastructure of a particular country, for example competing for certain jobs, while others don't. It's very hard or even impossible to make that case without referring to very subjective morality standards.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by redditmigrant »

masondixon wrote: post #375
pm90 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the "Illegals"... Rhetoric aside, as you pointed out, this is only the beginning. Authoritarians always need a scrapegoat to blame for "failed policies". Once one group is eliminated, on to another.

> Authoritarians Why do you think they are authoritarians. I don't get this. The right in the US is about freedom. The left is the part of authoritarianism. The progressive left especially has incredibly tight control of freedom of speech. Everything they don't like is called hate speech, all discussions are shut down, and PC terminology means that it doesn't matter what you say anymore, if you accidentally choose th…

Im curious, what is PC terminology?

- Is it the act of calling a homosexual person, gay instead of fag?

- Is it referring to black people as african-americans and not niggers?

- Is it referring to Muslim people as muslim people and not ragheads?

- Is it referring to people of east asian heritage as Asian and not chinks?

Its 2017, so if we have to watch our words so that we dont disrespect people who have been humiliated for years, its not much to ask for. Unless you put up everyday with something that offends you, you have no idea how much your "PC terminology" helps a disadvantaged person feel comfortable in their own skin.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by buckbova »

rat87 wrote: post #471
artursapek wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well sure, because that travel ban was ridiculous. I'm just saying most of the time "Trump" and "immigration" are mentioned together it's regarding the southern border, not ME immigration.

It shouldn't be. Unauthorized immigrants face the most immediate danger due to the law but the Trump administration is hostile to legal immigration as well. They're seeking to decrease legal immigration and considerimg an executive order to deport legal immigrants for using welfare. They are trying to ban by executive order legal immigration from arbitrary Muslim majority countries and all refugees (possibly temporar…

> They are trying to ban by executive order legal immigration from arbitrary Muslim majority countries and all refugees (possibly temporarily but I expect them to try to extend it).

Arbitrary? This is blatantly false and disingenuous.

There are some 50 majority muslim countries and these were not pulled out of a hat.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by timthelion »

qdog wrote: post #300
bayesian_horse wrote: post #32

One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

Yes,all the immigrants I know are hard-working people, more so on average than people born and raised here. "Are you willing to go through the current immigration process?" Seems to do a pretty good job of selecting productive individuals already. As an aside, this is probably my last post on HN, reading the xenophobic and likely astro-turfed replies to this and other threads has really reduced the value of HN commen…

I too am shocked how HN is taking a hard turn to the authoritarian side. "lega" "legal" "legal" "is it legal" "but they're illegal" geeze. I live in a country where it used to be illegal to know how to tune your radio to western frequencies and emigrating could get your familly sent to a workcamp. Now the west is talking about legality as if it were the holy grail. WTF?

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by wan23 »

icu wrote: post #130
capocannoniere wrote: post #67

I assume what they really mean by Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups is that 51% of $1B+ U.S. startups have at least one immigrant founder , right? (as opposed to 51% of unicorn founders are immigrants )

From what I've read of the report, the 51% were all 100% legal immigrants. Therefore I'm wondering what exactly is the news story here? Would the Wall Street Journal really lead with a headline "Legal Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups"? I really doubt it... and think the title is disingenuous because it implies the notion that all immigration is good. I don't buy that line of reasoning and I have…

The title clearly states what the (non-partisan) report says without making any implications whatsoever. Are we really going to complain about lack of bias in the media now?

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by ThomPete »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #531
ThomPete wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at it from "most resourceful" it's fairly easy and as far as I remember to have read also how it's normally seen. I.e. the US get 80% of the most resourceful immigrants while ex Europe get 80% of the least resourceful. Will see if I can dig up the report.

Which doesn't mean immigration policies have anything to do with that.

That depends on your criteria.

In Europe once you are allowed in you get access to more or less the whole European welfare system where as in the US you have to pay for everything yourself more or less.

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