Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups • Hacker News Board

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by coldpie » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:09 PM UTC

tristor wrote: post #385

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Gosh, thanks for the correction. We wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of the racists' close allies and supporters, now, would we? Supporting Republicans means supporting racism. This was made extremely clear during the 2016 election, and I don't see any Republicans scrambling to prevent the White House's blatantly racist policies since then. There are no more excuses, you are either a supporter of hate and bigotry o…

> Supporting Republicans means supporting racism. This is patently untrue and statements like these are not helpful to the overall political situation that you're upset about. Demonizing your opposition in your rhetoric is divisive and causes reasonable people to shy away. One of the reasons the Democrats lost the elections almost across the board in 2016 was because of their insistence on divisive rhetoric. To win e…

>> Supporting Republicans means supporting racism.

> This is patently untrue

No it isn't. The border wall is an idea rooted in racism. Look at Trump's nonsense about rapists and murderers. The immigration ban is a policy rooted in racism. Look at Trump's nonsense about Muslims cheering during 9/11. Do you notice a pattern how support for these policies go hand-in-hand with racist comments? That's because these policies are inspired by the idea that white people are superior to non-white people. It's not hard to tie Republican economic and domestic policies to racism either if you're willing to go one step below the surface.

> Regardless, many people are registered as Republicans who abhor racism and bigotry.

Then they need to stop supporting it. Voting for racists or for people who stand by while racist policies are enacted is equivalent to supporting racism. This is simply calling a spade a spade. Republican policies are racist and supporting Republicans means supporting racism.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by ue_ » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:13 PM UTC

Oxitendwe wrote: post #478

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>The reason the left wants immigration is because they overwhelmingly vote left. This is extermely narrow-sighted and very uncharitable, and fails to explain the radical left's stance on immigration, given that very few immigrants vote for, say, the Communist party. >Nowhere along the line does anybody care about why people want to be here - it's not their concern. And that's what I'm saying the problem is. People ha…

The "material conditions" that lead to illegal immigration in the US are lax enforcement of immigration and labor laws. If we had enforced our laws from the beginning, it would not be a problem. The solution then, is to enforce the laws we have, and remove their incentive to be here, not to go over there and make their country better. We have our own country to make great (again!). >Because apparently the only humans…

>The "material conditions" that lead to illegal immigration in the US are lax enforcement of immigration and labor laws.

These are material conditions, but they do not cover all immigration, so they are insufficient. The bigger material conditions are namely that people want to live better lives, and they think that they can do so in "better" countries like the US.

>and remove their incentive to be here

This is what I am talking about. You must fix the material conditions, which means that you must either (i) make your own country worse or (ii) make others better. Why not do the second?

>We have our own country to make great (again!).

America has always been founded on capitalist exploitation. It never was 'great'.

>Everyone has a right to act in their best interests.

Sure, and it's in your best interest to fix the material conditions for immigration if you don't like immigration.

>Charity is never obligatory.

That's true, but it seems very selfish to not care about the fate of others, simply beacuse they were born somewhere else.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by wnevets » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:13 PM UTC

bayesian_horse wrote: post #32

One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

> It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

that just leaves room for a real american to a founder! /sarcasm.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by kolbe » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:14 PM UTC

kolbe wrote: post #449

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Speaking of emotional arguments, we're not all doomed. Again, a lot of those public services are paid for through taxes immigrants do pay into, like property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, registration fees, and even income taxes. And again, their children are Americans by birthright so public education is an investment in Americans. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/... http://thf_media.s3.…

I don't know what to say other than chill out. You have completely hijacked the original thread with your ill-argued cliche talking points. The original statement was "I'm appalled by the need for statistics showing how "useful" immigrants are." Mine response is that it's a necessary framework. I in no way gave any conclusions about what I believe is the result of thinking in that framework, but you seem to harbor so…

Got it. You're a troll whose only response is "umadbro."

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by 67726e » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:14 PM UTC

wahern wrote: post #360

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> We don't have enough people that picks Strawberry crops in California or does home construction in suburbs. We literally don't have those people willing to do those jobs, which can cause runaway inflation Then increase the wage paid. You're literally arguing for a slave-wage underclass.

Not possible. Without cheap labor that kind of work would either move off shore to where labor is cheaper, or it'd be automated. My father lives in rural Alabama and is a proud red neck. But he's a transplant and a little less provincial than many native Alabamians. I visited him a few years ago and noted how many Mexicans and Central Americans had moved into the area, starting from basically none 20 years ago. Most…

Either pay a higher wage and start paying a higher price, automate it, or do without it. Arguing in favor of exploitative labor practices because you just have to have strawberries or your lawn mowed is a horrible argument. We should not be importing impoverished people and keeping them impoverished for your own personal convenience and desire.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by bogomipz » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

capocannoniere wrote: post #67

I assume what they really mean by Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups is that 51% of $1B+ U.S. startups have at least one immigrant founder , right? (as opposed to 51% of unicorn founders are immigrants )

Yes, you are correct. On page one under Executive Summary:

>"The research finds that 51 percent, or 44 out of 87, of the country’s $1 billion startup companies had at least one immigrant founder."

link: http://nfap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Immigrants-and-Bi...

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by rdl » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

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If the bar for "can support himself" is suitably low, someone could be an artist, immigrate to the US to work as an engineer or accountant or nurse, and be an artist. Once he can support himself through art (and is likely a citizen), then be a great artist full time.

You have a really sad view of what "art" is, if you think "oh, he can just be a "

For a period of time, I absolutely do think someone can do some other career in addition to art, rather than receiving public assistance.

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Post by xapata » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #149

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Issues of H1-B Visa abuse aside, I think this guy was trying to stop legal immigration: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/kent-shooting... I don't think articles like "Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups" are all about anti-Trump, it's more like pointing out to the American public that immigrants are not a tax on the rest of society.

Not true. 70% of Somalians in The Netherlands are still on welfare after 2 years. Most other Africans, most Middle-Eastern types etc all hover between 25 and 50%. In comparison, most Europeans hover around 1-5%. And this is from the CBS (Central Bureau of Statistics), which is a government institution. https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2015/31/zeven-van-de-tien-so... Edit: guys.. just read the link or come with rebutta…

How many Somalian immigrants are on welfare after 5 years? 10 years? What's the economic productivity of those Somalians -- not just the taxes paid, but the profit made by their employers? What's the cost of that welfare? How many citizens are on welfare in an average year?

I think we could use more facts before coming to a conclusion.

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Post by surfmike » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:20 PM UTC

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Um, not much? Immigrants as a whole pay their way in the United States, have lower crime rates. The revenue generated by Google, Chobani, and other companies is not "Mickey mouse" money. Not to mention that Microsoft and Google both picked immigrants to be their leaders.

"Immigrants as a whole pay their way in the United States, have lower crime rates." Would that be the case if the US didn't have visa programs which select for high quality immigrants balancing out illegal immigration and visa programs which do not select for high quality immigrants?

I don't know, you'd have to look to studies.

Anecdotally, my first generation friends had parents who didn't come on study or skilled worker visas. They are all net contributors to society and many sacrificed a lot to get their kids into good private schools. They weren't upper middle class but still made it happen.

Besides, the US really doesn't have much of a safety net, so even if I wanted to live "on the dole" here I don't really know how that's possible. Closest I could think is TANF but even that gets cut off after a few years.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 8:20 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #308

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> Whenever people put up the walls for their house (which serve the same purpose) those are days of joy too. I don't think that was the context of the OP's comment, but if you wish to extend to those kinds of walls then that's fine with me. It's just not the way I would have interpreted the meaning of a border wall.

> It's just not the way I would have interpreted the meaning of a border wall. Well, consider a country as a people's collective house. In this, a border, if not analogous to the walls, is at least analogous to the fence around the house and/or the lock on the door.

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