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Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified (2014)

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Chief among these requirements is likely the "years of experience" line. I categorically ignore it in every job post i read. Every job post i write leaves it consciously absent.

A candidate's ability should be judged strictly on what are their abilities today and what is their perceived ceiling. While you can argue that years of experience correlates to those details, it certainly does not inform them.

Anecdotally, my most recent developer job post had an exactly 50:50 male to female applicant ratio. Without exception the women applying were juniors. If this article is to be believed, my putting even "1+ years of experience" might have arbitrarily rejected some number of otherwise qualified candidates.

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Here's a question: what if I don't want to hire people like that? If you know something about underwater basket weaving I absolutely expect you speak up when we're considering switching to twine from seagrass. I don't want you to keep quiet and let us make a bad decision because you're concerned your knowledge is invalid.

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> You’ve probably heard the following statistic: Men apply for a job when they meet only 60% of the qualifications, but women apply only if they meet 100% of them. Ah, I had not. Landing a job I don't know how to do 2/5ths of sounds awful.

depending on who's writing up the "qualifications" though, a lot of them are probably bullshit

Well, now you've got two problems.

Re: Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified (2014)

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post #12

Here's a question: what if I don't want to hire people like that? If you know something about underwater basket weaving I absolutely expect you speak up when we're considering switching to twine from seagrass. I don't want you to keep quiet and let us make a bad decision because you're concerned your knowledge is invalid.

Guess you better make sure the people you hire can do what they claim to be able to do.

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> You’ve probably heard the following statistic: Men apply for a job when they meet only 60% of the qualifications, but women apply only if they meet 100% of them. Ah, I had not. Landing a job I don't know how to do 2/5ths of sounds awful.

> Landing a job I don't know how to do 2/5ths of sounds awful.

Then don't be an engineer?

Seriously, an engineer's job is to invent new things that no one has done before, and tell other people how to reliably build more of them. If you start a project with a 100% clear vision of how to get to the end, then you are already behind your competition.

Not knowing how to do 40%, and not being intimidated by 95%, seems like about the right mix.

Re: Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified (2014)

#16

Hate to sound like a strawman, but: why should this my problem? Unfortunately that's the nature of the game. Many software roles are like that. You just have to apply anyway. Other hidden biases women face, OK, got it, but this is a problem that occurs before any dialogue takes place. Now whether or not that advice gets properly dispensed is another issue.

If you want to hire the best person for the job, why wouldn't you want to do what you can to avoid discouraging good candidates from even applying in the first place?

Re: Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified (2014)

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As a man who struggles with low confidence and self-esteem, I hate the way women are given special attention over this stuff.

I frequently don't apply for jobs I see that I could probably do, for all of the reasons listed in the article. A couple of times I have even pulled out after a successful first round interview due to anxiety about continuing.

This is an example of how the "women in tech" movement alienates men who would otherwise be potential allies.

Instead of focussing on women, why not leave gender out of it and focus on "low-confidence candidates" (or whatever you want to call this cohort of people). That way if it's true that women are more likely to be "low-confidence" then you'll end up helping more women anyway, but you'll do it without alienating men.

Ignoring the root cause and jumping straight to helping women is exactly what what makes feminists look like man-haters.

I'm sick of the stereotype that because I'm an oh-so-privileged white male I must have had a ridiculously easy life and be full of confidence.

Re: Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified (2014)

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> You’ve probably heard the following statistic: Men apply for a job when they meet only 60% of the qualifications, but women apply only if they meet 100% of them. Ah, I had not. Landing a job I don't know how to do 2/5ths of sounds awful.

I have held enough different jobs to know that for some types of job posting, the listed requirements have almost nothing to do with the actual job duties and everything to do with imposing an arbitrary cutoff on the number of applicants to screen for it.

Job advertisement: Immediate requirement for an illusionist/escapist. Must have 15 years experience in inverted underwater lockpicking. Nice to have some experience in juggling chainsaws.

Job reality: You do coin and card tricks at children's birthday parties.

Even if the job does require something you don't know, it is very likely that--no matter what it is--you could spend a few hours on the Internet learning how to fake it well enough to fool anyone short of an actual expert until you get the real on-the-job experience.

Re: Why Women Don’t Apply for Jobs Unless They’re 100% Qualified (2014)

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post #12

Here's a question: what if I don't want to hire people like that? If you know something about underwater basket weaving I absolutely expect you speak up when we're considering switching to twine from seagrass. I don't want you to keep quiet and let us make a bad decision because you're concerned your knowledge is invalid.

Tech interview would be an answer. Quiz applicants whether they know what they claim to know. Slashdot crowd will complain and maybe write a medium article, but so what.
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