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Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by kk_cz »

johndoe4589 wrote: post #90
nabla9 wrote: post #12

I read from somewhere that even 16 hours is enough for the benefits of Intermittent fasting. Has anyone done studies with Buddhist monks in Vipassana tradition? They have rule not to eat after midday. Obviously many of them cheat different ways but if you can find the hardcorce monks and monasteries, you would have several thousands (possibly tens of thousands) subjects who have already been following the regime for…

Same on the [10 day Vipassana retreats]( http://www.dhamma.org/en-US/locations/directory ), for "old students" (basically if you return for the 2nd time or more). So as an "old student" I learned that there was no meal at 5pm. Instead we had hot water with lemon, I think we were allowed to eat a fruit :) You get used to it pretty quickly. That said, they have an AMAZING breakfast that is very filling. And.. you sit f…

IDK, brain needs glucose to function properly. It might be just placebo effect, but when I feel mentally exhausted quick sugar usually helps me to regain attention. If I wasn't allow to eat during the day I wouldn't be able to write usable code in the evening...

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by roystonvassey »

Icedcool wrote: post #99
roystonvassey wrote: post #46

In case anyone's interested, I did a 10-week IF experiment that yielded mixed results.[1] [1] http://telegra.ph/My-experiment-with-IF-03-09

Thanks for sharing. I've taken up 24 hour fasts once a week, and have seen a ton of benefits. From increased mental clarity, to weight loss, and body overall feels better. I kicked it off because I'm big into taoism and it supports my practices. You could try intermittently adding cold showers to support your weight loss. (The benefits of cold showers I've seen are a ton, and I'm not totally sold on that it is consis…

Thanks! I've tried cold water baths in the past too but not with IF.

I should but from a weight loss maximisation objective, it appears ketosis is the way to go. Planning to start and document that beginning April.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by kk_cz »

HeavenBanned wrote: post #41
clishem wrote: post #26

> The subjects were in a residence for old people, and all were in perfect health and over 65.

If this is true, how would we incorporate this into eating habits for children from birth to death? How much of a public health campaign would be required? I'm only skeptical because we just barely changed the "11 servings of bread" pyramid...so, who knows.

as a father of very young kids I sometimes feel like they are already aware of this. Some days they literally don't want to eat anything (even a food that they described as their favorite the day before), while on other days it's sometimes hard to believe how much can such a small human ingest.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by yawz »

kk_cz wrote: post #111
johndoe4589 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same on the [10 day Vipassana retreats]( http://www.dhamma.org/en-US/locations/directory ), for "old students" (basically if you return for the 2nd time or more). So as an "old student" I learned that there was no meal at 5pm. Instead we had hot water with lemon, I think we were allowed to eat a fruit :) You get used to it pretty quickly. That said, they have an AMAZING breakfast that is very filling. And.. you sit f…

IDK, brain needs glucose to function properly. It might be just placebo effect, but when I feel mentally exhausted quick sugar usually helps me to regain attention. If I wasn't allow to eat during the day I wouldn't be able to write usable code in the evening...

If you're healthy, after your quick sugar intake, insulin would kick in and you would probably find yourself with lower sugar levels than 30 mins before.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by nojvek »

kenver wrote: post #105
RobertoG wrote: post #100

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sorry, what are strips?

You can buy ketone strips that will indicate whether you are experiencing ketosis. They react to your urine.

Holy shit, I had no idea this was a thing. This is awesome. I am totally buying this.

Where can I learn the science of ketosis. So I can be more data driven regarding my health.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by ashark »

kk_cz wrote: post #111
johndoe4589 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same on the [10 day Vipassana retreats]( http://www.dhamma.org/en-US/locations/directory ), for "old students" (basically if you return for the 2nd time or more). So as an "old student" I learned that there was no meal at 5pm. Instead we had hot water with lemon, I think we were allowed to eat a fruit :) You get used to it pretty quickly. That said, they have an AMAZING breakfast that is very filling. And.. you sit f…

IDK, brain needs glucose to function properly. It might be just placebo effect, but when I feel mentally exhausted quick sugar usually helps me to regain attention. If I wasn't allow to eat during the day I wouldn't be able to write usable code in the evening...

Yeah, I get lightheaded and stupid (basically feel fairly drunk) around hours 14-16 without eating. I've been informed the solution to this is a keto diet. Ugh, not worth it.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by mosselman »

kk_cz wrote: post #111
johndoe4589 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same on the [10 day Vipassana retreats]( http://www.dhamma.org/en-US/locations/directory ), for "old students" (basically if you return for the 2nd time or more). So as an "old student" I learned that there was no meal at 5pm. Instead we had hot water with lemon, I think we were allowed to eat a fruit :) You get used to it pretty quickly. That said, they have an AMAZING breakfast that is very filling. And.. you sit f…

IDK, brain needs glucose to function properly. It might be just placebo effect, but when I feel mentally exhausted quick sugar usually helps me to regain attention. If I wasn't allow to eat during the day I wouldn't be able to write usable code in the evening...

You don't need to write code all day. I doubt you could even write 'good' code for 6 hours per day, let alone from the morning to the evening even if you were eating as you normally do.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by sigi45 »

rubicon33 wrote: post #7

I have long believed, due entirely to anecdotal evidence, that restricting calories and eating less is one of the best ways to add years to your life. It seems that eating is inherently stressful for the body. Though obviously necessary, eating is something that we should strive to minimize. Any more than necessary, and the stress induced from digestion, and inflammatory molecules, damages the body and undermines our…

Whatever it ist or whatever effect it might have, it doesn't matter. We are living longer than ever.

Why bothering?

Life a normal life, do a little bit of sports, try to reduce stress etc.

Will not change my diet or eating habbits.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by antisthenes »

rlanday wrote: post #81
flat6turbo wrote: post #17

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> If I go to the corner shop and get a sandwich I have no idea what's in it and there is no accurate way to estimate. uh, why not? i'll do it right now for you off the top of my head, which anyone can do after they look them up for a while. 100g of white bread = ~ 250 calories / 2 tbsp of mayo = ~ 200 calories / 4 oz of deli turkey = ~ 100 calories / 1 tbsp mustard = ~ 10 calories / 2 slices (2 oz.) of cheese = ~ 240…

A can of soda is only about 140 calories. I.e. half the calories in the bread. I think it gets a way worse reputation than it deserves.

What about a medium sized soda at a fast-food place? Those places use consumer surplus as an incentive to get a larger drink, so seeing people with huge cups, presumably filled with soda is very common.

Besides, 140 calories is a lot, considering it has about the same calorie density as milk and the number of great drinks available to you at 0 calories, like black tea, green tea, coffee and plain water.

Soda is sugar only, always, so it's much easier to throw your daily balance of carb/protein/fat off with soda than any other drink (e.g. milk).

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Post by jackvalentine »

coldtea wrote: post #84
jackvalentine wrote: post #72

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My point though is what you're "measuring" is quite difficult to do in a clinical setting, let alone every day living your life. The above poster talking about the deli sandwich mentally breaking down all the ingredients... I'm happy to be proven wrong but I simply don't believe you can do that with a reasonable degree of accuracy. I suppose this is turning in to quite a pedantic argument about the definition of "cou…

> The above poster talking about the deli sandwich mentally breaking down all the ingredients... I'm happy to be proven wrong but I simply don't believe you can do that with a reasonable degree of accuracy. You are just overestimating both the difficulty and the degree of accuracy required. While at the same time, still relying on even more vague terms, to determine if you ate too many cakes etc (as per your other ex…

I'm not claiming any degree of accuracy in the estimates, just that without tricking yourself in to think you're being rigorous you can achieve pretty much the same results. I outlined the mechanism that I think these 'counters' are actually achieving results by in spite of their atrocious data collection.

I can't believe people are defending such poor data collection practices. You'd be all over it if someone else was selling their results based on such inaccurate data but in this case it's fine?

If you're going to call it counting you need to be accurate.

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