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But what if it's a generic captcha. It doesn't improve anything. Are you okay with that?
A generic captcha doesn't use the work done by the user. I'm not the person you're replying to, but I think I can guess what could be their answer.
Going from throwing away the work to improving Google's image recognition is a Pareto improvement so I'm interested in the justification.
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I would guess testing that the mouse pointer moves semi-randomly over the button, in a fashion typical of the way humans browse a web page
I can't image it being limited to jitter, I'm curious how they handle touchscreens.
Honestly I feel mobile is easier to validate
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I actually feed google false information (select rectangular objects when asked to select traffic signs, flat surfaces when asked for water surfaces, and so on). It'll probably be filtered out when aggregated with other users, but I like to think that I'm at least influencing it even if a little. I wouldn't have a problem if they'd open the data set, but I'm not exactly keen on being forced to work for free.
So you'd do the work if it were not productive but not otherwise? Like, if they just threw away your input into the CAPTCHA after confirming you're human, you're okay with that? Or do you just hate CAPTCHAs on principle?
From one perspective it doesn't matter - your batteries are gone either way.
But from another perspective, inspectors who keep what they find have completely different motivations - making the same outcome much more sinister and corrupt.
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How is that "free work"? Automated usage can threaten a site's bottom-line, and even its existence. A site resorts to Google's CAPTCHA's service because they don't have the money to build their own detector. It's not a service that was free for Google to create. edit: Also worth noting that some of this "free work" that users do for Google is used to improve bot-detection overall. The comment to this blog post (the p…
How is that "free work"? The original recaptcha was used to help clear up text from book digitization projects where OCR couldn't understand the data. The appeal of this was that these works were in the public domain, and thus proper digitization of these works is a societal-wide benefit. Since Google purchased it, they've been using it to: 1.) Clean street view data for a proprietary product (Google maps) 2.) Build…
According to Wikipedia and the New York Times, reCaptcha was not developed for public domain works. Its pilot project was to digitize the NYT archives, archives which were not released to the public domain nor are fully available without being a subscriber: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/science/29recaptcha.html
I'm not a machine learning expert but I'm going to laugh at your suggestion that Google could "pay a group of people to do". In the above referenced NYT article from 2011, recaptcha's creator says several million words were being processed by recaptcha per day.
And again, have to disagree that the end user "does not benefit in any significant way". We would not be discussing this if Google hadn't learned from massive user data to iterate their captcha from distorted word mush to what it is today. Captcha was a serious drain of user energy and patience, that's why recaptcha was invented in the first place. And the worst captchas were tolerated because automated usage was a financial threat to websites that end users use.
I'm wondering if this might not be illegal under several countries' data privacy laws. Users need to be directly and visibly be informed, if and when data of theirs will be transmitted to third parties. As Google's ReCaptcha is based on tracking what websites you visit, what search terms you enter, correlating this data, and comparing this tracking profile of yours, it's quite problematic that the user doesn't even s…
> You acknowledge and understand that the reCAPTCHA API works by collecting hardware and software information, such as device and application data and the results of integrity checks, and sending that data to Google for analysis. Pursuant to Section 3(d) of the Google APIs Terms of Service, you agree that if you use the APIs that it is your responsibility to provide any necessary notices or consents for the collection and sharing of this data with Google. For users in the European Union, you and your API Client(s) must comply with the EU User Consent Policy [...]
The "EU consent policy" from Google is here:
https://www.google.com/about/company/user-consent-policy.htm...
What I want to know is what happens if you get 'trapped' in this invisible ReCAPTCHA? The most frequent encounters with CAPTCHA's I see are rejected API requests over VPN.
I couldn't load any more jobs, or view any more workers. I had to inspect the Network tab in Chrome, open the API request and then click a "I am not a bot" on their API page.
That was a poor implementation tbh.
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It modifies your behaviour in ways that aren't in your interest.
There is an option somewhere in Google settings to turn off personalized ads.
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People that project their paranoia on others are usually running ad, tracking and probably even script blockers.
I do that not because I want to not be tracked, but because I am bad at computers and don't want to accidentally install a virus because blatting and starting again would be an bunch of effort and it's not like my stuff is backed up or anything. Sometimes though I wonder if I shouldn't turn adblock off, for example, and then I'm at work and some website auto-plays video and I remember .
You try to run. Your muscles burn, you heave for breath. They match your pace exactly, coming closer... and closer... and closer. You cast your gaze desperately from side to side. Isn't anyone around? You're scared. You're not a strong man, and these people all look like body-builders and criminals. No, now that they've come closer, you're not sure they look like men at all. Is that a tattoo, or is it... is it a tusk?
Then you stumble over a rock, fall, and scrape your hands. While you're rolling around and trying to get back to your feet, the men stop in a tight circle around you. They look down at you.
"What," you begin. Your voice is quavering.
"Take backups," the men say, as one. "Take backups, for you never know what may happen."
Then they disperse into mist.
Doesn't anyone else see it as a problem that Google's bots (and possibly CIA/NSA) can access any system using Google ReCAPTCHA? They can create unlimited amount of accounts on social networks, blogs, forums etc. and thus have unlimited social voting power on the Internet. There is a need for a decentralized Captcha that can't be circumvented by anyone.
That whole page wasn't apple to explain WHY it is invisible and how it works if it's invisible.
Guessing it's your browsing history (courtesy of including js from a Google domain) plus mouse tracking. It doesn't seem much different than the current "click here" one to me. They are just letting the page owner substitute their own button in lieu of the check box.