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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by criley2 »

debacle wrote: post #585
criley2 wrote: post #551

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Russians do not have free press and the state controlled media allows them to use nationalism to strongly insulate themselves from criticism and foreign press. Combined with their propensity for assassinating dissenters and journalists, there is less willpower to resist the fascism. It's to the point now that things like this improve Putin's poll numbers, not hurt them.

> the state controlled media allows them to use nationalism to strongly insulate themselves from criticism Have you watched news in the US recently?

>Have you watched news in the US recently?

You mean have I watched the non-state controlled media from a widely disparate number of sources offering wildly disparate assessments of current events along a dramatically huge spectrum?

Have you watched Russian news, ever?

If you think American News and Russian (or Chinese) news are comparable, I don't know what to tell you. It's beyond ignorance at that point.

P.S. In Russia, there isn't any dissent. Like the major media in America, they are dissenting from the current government.

Do you understand that what is happening in America -- mass media dissent -- is literally impossible in Russia?

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by dragonwriter »

criley2 wrote: post #941
debacle wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the state controlled media allows them to use nationalism to strongly insulate themselves from criticism Have you watched news in the US recently?

>Have you watched news in the US recently? You mean have I watched the non-state controlled media from a widely disparate number of sources offering wildly disparate assessments of current events along a dramatically huge spectrum? Have you watched Russian news, ever? If you think American News and Russian (or Chinese) news are comparable, I don't know what to tell you. It's beyond ignorance at that point. P.S. In Ru…

It's possible that the GP was referring to the evidence in recent US news reporting that the present government is attempting to build control of the media analogous to that in Russia and prevent dissent, though clearly that attempt is in its early phases and has not yet succeeded. That, in other words, the implied conclusion of "Have you seen the media in the US?" wasn't "It's relationship to the state is just like in Russia" but "There is an active effort to transform the relationship of media to the state to one like that currently seen in Russia."

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by belorn »

vacri wrote: post #923
hollander wrote: post #900

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This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

I used to support Assange, but that fell away when finally Sweden agreed to interview him at the embassy as per his request... and he demanded that the interview questions be submitted as a document... and in Spanish . A Swedish prosecutor interrogating an anglo-Australian man residing in England in Spanish ? With preprepared questions only? That's clearly obstructing the course of justice beyond the concern for his…

All the reporters that wrote news article about the issue said that the demands was from the Ecuadorian Embassy, not from Assange. A Swedish prosecutor interrogating on Ecuadorian land has to follow what ever requirement that the diplomats want and those requirements depend on relations and politics. Recently there was a story on Swedish nation TV about a case where the other nation dragged their feet by loosing documents, by demanding them to be first faxed then signed then signed with the right colored inc, then mailed by post, then signed again, and a half year later had past and nothing had happened until an "agreement" was reached on a total different political subject and everything suddenly started to move.

In the Assange case I recall even the prosecutor saying that the kind of things was common when doing police work over borders, but that they hoped that things would be done on time. From what I remembered, it was also mostly on time.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by i336_ »

rand83746 wrote: post #874
alpha_squared wrote: post #603

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For the purpose of devil's advocate in this, I think it's possible to state truths and still be misleading and/or distracting from another narrative. Just because something is true doesn't necessarily explain what the motive is for releasing that information. It's certainly healthy to have at least a shadow of a doubt as to what WikiLeaks's motivations are when it's already shown that it can either restrain itself fr…

God, I wish HN had a more convenient downvote button.

It becomes available after sufficient karma is gained. It took me just over 6 months.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by belorn »

cmdkeen wrote: post #905
hollander wrote: post #900

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

And there your are using assertion as truth "If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately." is completely unproven. Especially as Sweden cannot guarantee something that has not been asked for. There is also the inconvenient fact that the UK has to approve further extradition, and has in the past proven quite happy to extradite people to the US - unless Assange suddenly dev…

So at this point in the thread we have had people argue that wikileaks don't present the whole truth, others arguing that the reason WL is biased against US lacks truth, then that the reason Assange is in Ecuadorian Embassy lacks truth, and now that the reason why Assange don't want to go to Sweden lacks truth.

Are we at a point where we should simply put this to third-party researcher?

Let me add my own facts that several third-party lawyers stated in the very first days that this kind of she-said-he-said has no chance to ever result in a conviction, and that the prosecutor is behavior in a oddly way for stating that the case has a strong chance for conviction (all the evidence was leaked and public). She said she was half-asleep, he said she was awake, and on that we got a rape charge of lesser degree, which in average do not even give jail time. No witnesses, no physical evidence, no collaborating-anything for either side. The prosecutor main argument to the media is that Assange claims are not believable because he did not agree to go to Sweden.

This case is the highest cost vs crime severity ever done by Sweden and the UK. It might even be the highest in Europe. Why is so much money being spent on this specific case and not others?

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by pmarreck »

xenotb wrote: post #924
pmarreck wrote: post #773

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If I hacked two people's private emails who were in some popularity contest, and they both contained severely incriminating things, and I only release 1 of those to the public, then I believe it is arguable that I have gone beyond mere truth-disclosure and on to outright manipulation.

I'm out of the loop; whose emails did they not release? Trump's?

This was more on principle, but there is some evidence that parts of the RNC were also hacked and the information never released: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by digi_owl »

throwanem wrote: post #764
graycat wrote: post #333

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IIRC there was a claim that the shells with the proximity fuses were also used, likely by Patton's forces, in the Battle of the Bulge. Supposedly having the shells explode at a carefully determined distance above the ground made the shells especially effective against German ground troops. IIRC the proximity fuses were developed at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL); that is the story I…

> having the shells explode at a carefully determined distance above the ground made the shells especially effective against German ground troops It does. WWII tanks' armor is mostly concentrated to the front and sides, because those tanks are designed to force enemy lines against ground-bursting shells, field pieces, and other tanks, all of which fire mostly on low trajectories; what's on top is much thinner, becaus…

The Swedish military has a lovely man portable anti-tank weapon built on this principle.

The sight is arranged so that if you aim at the tank, the weapon is actually aiming above it. Then the round will detonate as it pass over the target, sending a molten metal shaped charge right down.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by [deleted] »

mhneu wrote: post #870
rubyfan wrote: post #692

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This is the approach used by both left and right parties in the U.S. The parties and their surrogates attempt to taint sources as biased and by proxy all content from the source invalid.

No, this is not true. We now have data showing that the left tends to read both mainstream and left sources. While the right tends to live in their own little Fox-Breitbart bubble. This means that the right gets news from extremely biased sources with no anchor in reality. While the left tends to read and share a wider variety of media. http://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-st... It's also been sh…

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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by untog »

angry-hacker wrote: post #416
untog wrote: post #302

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Is Julian Assange a reliable actor in this? He has every motive to deny that Russia are the source of the leaks.

Why wouldn't he suddenly be? Because he exposed the corruption of the party you supported? It doesn't work that way really. Either he is reliable, or not reliable to begin with. I have every reason believe he is, and he has demonstrated that people turn a blind eye on things if it fits their narrative of the world and politics.

We never needed to trust Assange, because we knew the source of the leaks - Snowden. I trust Snowden, I have never particularly trusted Assange.
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