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Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Friends, it is insensible to ask me to quit without giving me a better offer elsewhere.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings.

I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview.

Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might not be hot later.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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So, progressives in SV have moved from trying to get you fired if you say something they don't like on twitter, to pressuring you to quit your job if an accusation is made against somebody at your company. Great. This couldn't possibly end poorly.

This isn't about saying something someone doesn't like.

This is about unlawful behavior which, from the outside, appears to pervade the entirety of Uber.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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What even goes through these people's heads when they post crap like this? Do they really, genuinely, expect people to quit what is probably a secure and well paying job, because they've decided they don't like Uber any more? Have we really reached this level of arrogance?

Financial and family responsibilities be damned! I read a news article that said Uber didn't give everyone participation awards and gold stars!

What next, we ask kids to stop working at McDonalds because it's making everyone fat? Or maybe tobacco companies, because they're making everyone sick? Or BP, because they're BP? No no, just Uber because there's a trending hashtag and it's pretty hip not to like Uber now.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

#34

Friends, it is insensible to ask me to quit without giving me a better offer elsewhere.

The entire black population of Montgomery Alabama gave up taking the bus for over a year during the boycott because they cared enough to make that sacrifice. People who care enough sometimes go on hunger strike, lie down in front of tanks, and risk arrest for what they believe in. If you need a "better offer" than what I assume is your current 6-figure salary to change jobs, then Uber's sexist, anti-worker, sociopath…

It's pretty self-righteous to tell someone they should quit their job because of your beliefs when there is no cost to you and potentially quite a bit of cost to them.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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The sheer number of "scandals" coming out of Uber raise the probability that something isn't Kosher to nearly 0.99. That said, I find it deeply disturbing that anyone expressing any form of skepticism of any individual claim is downvoted.

For anyone doing the downvoting, can you elaborate please on what sort of system you have in place that decides whether we can or can't be skeptical of a claim without corroborating evidence (apart from personal testimony)? It's true that in this case the preponderance of testimony is pretty strong against Uber, but I wouldn't hold it against someone who, say, assigned something like a ~0.50 probability value to the anonymous harassment claim.

I'll also say that I've worked at a tech company before that went through some bad PR issues. As an insider, it was obvious that, while there definitely were issues that needed fixing, the media exaggerated them or invented entirely new issues out of nothing. When the media senses a PR catastrophe, they'll jump at any tidbit of information that even remotely seems "scandalous".

Now, in the case of Uber, I'm not an insider, and my own estimate as an outsider is that there is something like a 99% chance that serious misconduct is going on at the highest levels of the company. But regardless, it is really absurd, and in fact quite disturbing, to see any degree of skepticism expressed over any of this to be so harshly resisted. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that some of the reported scandals may have a < 0.50 probability value of being true, while others are more probably true, etc.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

#36

I think it bears repeating that there has been no hard evidence turned up in any of this. Even the single non-anonymous story doesn't have any corroborating evidence or records, and the charges of "investigation" and "harassment" have been only reported by the original reporter of the story. The fallout has been that somebody has been let go after non-substantiated rumors about his activities at a previous employer,…

We need to stop doing this in every thread. These women are taking huge risks by speaking publicly and asking for proof is insulting to say the least.

Really? How is it insulting?

So if I was a woman, you'd be ok with me going to the police and saying that you stole my wallet - even though I had zero proof of that ever happening?

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to stop doing this in every thread. These women are taking huge risks by speaking publicly and asking for proof is insulting to say the least.

This is an insane reaction. There is literally no other charge for which "I would like to see supporting evidence of this claim" is somehow problematic.

It's really not when you realize these aren't extraordinary claims. Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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post #31

Friends, it is insensible to ask me to quit without giving me a better offer elsewhere.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings. I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview. Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might no…

There's a lot of shitty jobs available and a few good ones. People don't work for companies they work for managers.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an insane reaction. There is literally no other charge for which "I would like to see supporting evidence of this claim" is somehow problematic.

It's really not when you realize these aren't extraordinary claims. Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence.

>Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence.

Insisting on evidence is verboten. On HN.

I'm quickly growing tired of this place.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to stop doing this in every thread. These women are taking huge risks by speaking publicly and asking for proof is insulting to say the least.

Really? How is it insulting? So if I was a woman, you'd be ok with me going to the police and saying that you stole my wallet - even though I had zero proof of that ever happening?

A stolen wallet is just like someone putting their career on the line because of a feckless HR department. Wait, no it isn't.
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