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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by nkkollaw »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

> I wont buy a laptop without a magsafe or similar connection

Do Windows laptops have it, or you're going to use a 2014 MacBook Air forever..?

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by hvidgaard »

Razengan wrote: post #365
freehunter wrote: post #239

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There's a lot to not like about Windows's UI, but Explorer is worlds better than Finder, there's absolutely no comparison. Every day I still struggle to remember how to go up a level. Option+Up? Nope that selects the next folder up. Control+Up? No, that made all of my windows do something weird that I don't know what that is. Ah, it's Command+Up. As far as I can tell, there's no non-keyboard way to do it. I can't cli…

> Option+Up? Nope that selects the next folder up. Control+Up? No, that made all of my windows do something weird that I don't know what that is. Ah, it's Command+Up. In macOS, generally: ⌘ Command = App-specific shortcuts. The primary modifier key. ⌃ Control = Global shortcuts. App-specific shortcuts will not generally have Control as the sole modifier. ⌥ Option/Alt = Something to with the keyboard, selection, or se…

The complaint is that Apple software tend to be throughly lacking in the discoverability part of their UI. It is especially bad on iOS.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by chaostheory »

coldtea wrote: post #3

> But recently, I realized I’d gotten tired of Apple’s attitude toward the desktop. The progress in macOS land has basically been dead since Yosemite, two years ago, and Apple’s updates to the platform have been incredibly small. So, like creating a full blown new programming language (Swift)? Or a full new filesystem (AFS)? Integration of Cloud storage directly to the desktop? Siri on the desktop? Saving RAM through…

Actually I care more about OS performance rather than new features. Of course the only reason I don't want new features is because Apple refuses to release a screenless iMac where you can upgrade the RAM and hard drives easily.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by apricot13 »

I think people are giving up on apple too easily. They've had one really bad round (admittedly I'm ignoring the lets solder everything to the motherboard phase) but there is still September. I'm forcing my 2011 mbp to live at least until then so that I can then reassess my hardware.

Thats not to say I haven't been researching other options in the meantime. The good thing about all of this is that the people (myself included) who have never even considered leaving are getting a chance to see what else is available in the market and make a more educated decision to stay/go.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by dredmorbius »

Ezhik wrote: post #369
dredmorbius wrote: post #334

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GNUstep / Windowmaker.

Aesthetic. How feasible is it to actually use whatever file manager GNUstep has outside of it?

GNUstep is just another widget kit, though one that's intended to work together. You're under no obligation.

I use Windowmaker largely without the GNUstep file manger -- bash is my preferred interface. But it's there, and you can run that freestanding under any desktop or windowmanager you want.

Part of the beauty and/or asthetic confusion, as well as freedom, of Linux / BSD.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by hvidgaard »

Razengan wrote: post #152
arkades wrote: post #128

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> The UI remains a convoluted Escher'esque nightmare. Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." My elderly mother can kludge her way through both of them, more or less reliably - admittedly, with more trouble than using her phone, but not a lot more. Nothing that a tech-illiterate can reasonably use on a day-to-day basis qualif…

> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

If you want to compare the two, at least use the default view. Pinning the ribbon and then call it more conveluted, is just trying to force your argument.

http://imgur.com/a/5AGBU

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by sgt »

diego_moita wrote: post #85

It is so funny to read these Apple vs. Windows discussions when you live outside of North America... The truth is that, for the rest of the world, "Apple platform" means only iOS, only the IPhone, nothing more. In Asia, Africa, Latin America and some parts of Europe, Macs and OSX are a rare species, most people spend years without even seeing a Mac computer "in the wild". They are used only for graphics editing and I…

I think you need a reality check. Even here in South Africa, Apple's computer market share is steadily increasing. In general (and this applies to most countries outside the US), those who actually care about their computers (as opposed to seeing a computer as just a fancy typewriter) and have the budget to justify it, will often buy Macs. In terms of developers, I expect the market share to be even higher. In our company we have about 50 people and we're all on Macs (Airs and Pros).

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by lokedhs »

pjmlp wrote: post #639
lokedhs wrote: post #618

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It was the main reason a lot of people (myself included) moved to OSX from Linux. I honestly believe that its Unix compatibility was one of the main reasons Macs got popular with developers in the first place.

Macs were already popular with developers. Apparently as someone that favors Xerox PARC way of thinking, I am not a developer, as I don't embrace the UNIX religion.

That's not what I said. I never meant to give the impression that “developers” necessarily means Unix users. A lot of them are though, definitely enough to be a noticeable fraction. The number of people in this very thread proclaiming the greatness of the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 should confirm this.

You have to admit that around 2003 or so there was a huge influx of technical users to the Mac. My proposition is that a lot of those users were developers moving from Linux (or from an unhappy Windows life, wishing they were using a Unix-based operating system).

I base this on the general sentiment at the time, and I was one of the people who made the switch. I'm sure you can find old posts from me on Slashdot talking about how great the switch was.

Now I'm on Hacker News, talking about doing the exact opposite. I'm moving away from OSX because the Unix experience has become really bad.

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