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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by hvidgaard »

eksemplar wrote: post #344
owenwil wrote: post #4

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>So, like creating a full blown new programming language (Swift)? Byproduct of Apple's work on mobile. > Or a full new filesystem (AFS)? Byproduct of Apple's work on mobile. > Siri on the desktop? Byproduct of mobile again! (By the way, ask Siri on Mac to set an alarm or interact with homekit!) But, I take your point. I tried to mostly detail Apple's lack of attention for developers, but perhaps missed the emphasis o…

I've been an enterprise developer on windows since XP (now on 10) and I don't think they've come very far in terms of what's going on with your dev pc. I still wouldn't want to use my dev machine for anything but development because of how much shit the .Net dev environment does to your system. Don't get me wrong, Azure is blazing amazing, and so is .NET in general, but when your enterprise IDE still hasn't found a w…

This is the entire reason I do the majority of development in a VM. There needs to be installed so much software, that is deeply integrated into Windows, that I don't want any of it on my daily workhorse.

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Post by snovv_crash »

stonemetal wrote: post #563
patrickg_zill wrote: post #540

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You're correct that phones are computers, however: Solidworks, AutoCAD, etc. don't run on phones Photoshop/Lightroom/Illustrator don't run on phones SPICE, VHDL, Verilog don't run on phones InDesign and other DTP programs don't run on phones Emacs/Vi don't run on phones There are a host of actually-useful programs that are completely unsuitable for run on phone-computers, that do run well on laptop-computers and desk…

Vim and Emacs support Android. Vim is also on iOS. VIM: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.momodalo.a... https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vim/id492668168?mt=8 Emacs: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emac...

Yes, but on iOS you still can't compile or run any of the programs you write.

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Post by willtim »

simion314 wrote: post #323
Asooka wrote: post #86

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I use Arch myself, but at this point I'm absolutely convinced I do so only because I'm a masochist. I work as a C++ dev on a large multiplatform project and from what I've observed there is almost nothing that Linux does better than Windows for a person looking to do work on his computer. The only two things I would miss if I switched to Windows right now are rr (Mozilla's record and replay debugger) and ccache. Linu…

My suggestion is to install Ubuntu or a derivative, and for development you should use VMs or containers to keep your system clean, if you use VM then you can move your dev setup to a different OS too. Because you can copy paste commands from Arch wiki and install Arch does not mean you should do it or make you a experienced/advanced Linux user.

NixOS is also a lightweight alternative to containers.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by chm »

phaed wrote: post #590
david-cako wrote: post #588

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>far more productive now than I was on OSX Really? In what ways? This is interesting to me, because the main reason I'm a mac zealot (for all but le screengames) is because it's mostly indistinguishable from working on a linux box, without any of the negative aspects of running linux on a workstation. Any time I try to do work on my Windows machine it feels very handicapped. WSL helps, but it's still one more layer o…

I'm on a beast of a machine that I could only dream of when I was stuck inside the Apple ecosystem. Granted there were a few of annoyances I had to find workarounds for, but nothing unsurmountable, we are devs after all. There was a lot I had to relearn the-windows-way, old habits I had to drop, new ones I had to adopt. But with experience comes expertise, and you get used to the new way. I now have that handicapped…

I understand your point about having to give an honest shot at Windows - I bought a Win10 license some months ago. It's fine.

Until I wanted Emacs.

Until I wanted to uninstall software.

Until I wanted to setup a VM in VirtualBox (set up a Win2k12 Server VM tonight, and it simply failed to boot 3 consecutive times, then booted up in a "repair" mode, and then failed to boot again, just to boot up again after the 5-6th try. Wonderful).

Until I wanted a damned clock that keeps time (always have to manually stop/start automatic time in the options).

I really want to like Windows but I can't. It feels like it's going out of its way to annoy me. Booting up a fresh Debian install feels so much better... I just feel like I have to understand how things work much more. Linux is a sharp tool, and Windows feels like a clunky bicycle.

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Post by tempodox »

phaed wrote: post #551
ntsplnkv3 wrote: post #357

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Windows 8 was worse than Windows 10 which is worse than 7. I should have specified-to me Windows 8 and 10 are both poor, both much worse than 7. To be honest, I had an EASIER time with Windows 8 (company provided laptop) than Windows 10. Windows 7 was the pinnacle windows experience for me and it has gotten worse ever since.

What about windows 7 was so great? The start menu? Windows 10 has a 5 second boot up time, most all annoyances anyone has online can be configured away, and it is insanely stable (haven't had it once crash on me yet).

Well, it crashed on me. Not even a blue screen of death, just spontaneous reboot.

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Post by _pmf_ »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

> Jobs was hardheaded, but reasonable. Cook is trying to emulate the hardheadedness but fails to recognize the reasonability needed to balance that.

I think we can be sure that under Jobs, they would not be in a situation where you cannot charge the current iPhone model with the current MacBook without a dongle. "Oh, it's not a dongle, it's just a cable." -> Get out of my face.

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Post by bmon »

chx wrote: post #525

WSL is great but I dread all sorts of malware / ransomware / virii etc. One wrong click (have you ever been tired) and while obviously I have backups that's a lot of stress and lost productivity to get back where I was.

You have to go a fair way to run anything on wsl, much more than "one click". Also, there's not much that you can do in bash that can't already happen in batch/powershell, with perhaps a little more effort.

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Post by apapli »

rayiner wrote: post #167
jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

Buy a breakable USB cable? I've had MacBooks for 10 years, and I'm ecstatic to see MagSafe gone. Apple chargers have always been shit, and Apple laptops have never been compatible with off the shelf battery packs. Moving to USB-C and detachable, replaceable cables, is a huge step forward. Also, what PC alternative has a MagSafe equivalent?

My Surface Pro 4 has a MagSafe equivalent power supply. Works quite well, albeit not as well as the mac version.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by pjmlp »

lokedhs wrote: post #618
pjmlp wrote: post #614

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UNIX being part of OS X is a historical accident, Apple just wanted to save themselves from Copland's failure.

It was the main reason a lot of people (myself included) moved to OSX from Linux. I honestly believe that its Unix compatibility was one of the main reasons Macs got popular with developers in the first place.

Macs were already popular with developers.

Apparently as someone that favors Xerox PARC way of thinking, I am not a developer, as I don't embrace the UNIX religion.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by forgottenacc57 »

diego_moita wrote: post #85

It is so funny to read these Apple vs. Windows discussions when you live outside of North America... The truth is that, for the rest of the world, "Apple platform" means only iOS, only the IPhone, nothing more. In Asia, Africa, Latin America and some parts of Europe, Macs and OSX are a rare species, most people spend years without even seeing a Mac computer "in the wild". They are used only for graphics editing and I…

Huh? There's macs everywhere I look.
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