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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by ufo »

otterley wrote: post #13

The question I'm left asking from posts like these is: As a non-game developer, what practical advantages does Windows hardware and software provide over Mac? The writing doesn't make it clear to me. Sure, there are some interesting facts noted, but there's no connection drawn or relationship established between the facts and the impact on the author's ability to work, or the work product itself.

One of the advantages is that you can install Linux on it. Generally, it is much easier to install Linux on a regular PC than on Apple hardware.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by danielsju6 »

otterley wrote: post #13

The question I'm left asking from posts like these is: As a non-game developer, what practical advantages does Windows hardware and software provide over Mac? The writing doesn't make it clear to me. Sure, there are some interesting facts noted, but there's no connection drawn or relationship established between the facts and the impact on the author's ability to work, or the work product itself.

touch screen, convertibles, pens, price, performance, and better battery life (if comparing to the most recent macbook generation)

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Nimitz14 »

Razengan wrote: post #234
xorblurb wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"macOS Finder": you are talking about that software that rename folders when you press the enter key? :p

Can you give a reason why Enter to open a file is ideal, other than just because it's how Windows does it? The Windows Explorer uses Alt+Enter to show the properties of something, and in games and other apps that shortcut means Full Screen. Also, why does Alt+F4 quit an app? What does F4 stand for? Compared to Cmd+Q to Quit or Cmd+W to close it's a lot less intuitive. And so on and so forth.

> Can you give a reason why Enter to open a file is ideal

Lol. 10/10 troll.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Neeek »

austenallred wrote: post #428
Neeek wrote: post #408

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I 'm kind of more confused at everyone's seeming aversion to learning. Friends ask me why I go through the trouble of running Windows and Linux side by side with virtualization, or why I'm bothering to write my own blog site in python when Wordpress exists; why are you going the long way? The answer is always "Because I'm learning cool new shit and enjoying myself".

Sure, but time is a finite resource. You know when the last time I even thought about my OS was? Probably 8 yrs ago. I'd much rather fiddle with the stuff I'm building than with the stuff I just need to work in order for me to build what I'm building. So I have no aversion to learning, but I want to focus my time learning the stuff I want/need to learn. And if there's an OS that runs well enough I don't need to think…

Not even as a side project or something though, running on some old hardware you were never going to use again? I guess this whole thread is about working environments and precisely not what we play around with in our spare time though.

To be honest, I hadn't really given much thought to my OS for even longer before I decided to go looking myself, I'm glad I picked that fight though. Granted, 8 years ago I was 15, digging in to the guts of an OS for the first time is very different from focusing your time to build what needs building :)

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by tnecniv »

domenukk wrote: post #402
Razengan wrote: post #152

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> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

macOS Finder, for me, has always been one of the worst parts of of macOS btw. Try navigating to a different drive or to enter a path directly (without knowing the keyboard shortcut) or openeing a shell window at a location or doing anything useful... Explorer is so good at what it does. Maybe it's less pretty, form follows function?

Not to mention it gets special treatment as a program and the behavior of it in the task bar is weird and non-intuitive for inexperienced users.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by domenukk »

ntsplnkv3 wrote: post #412
scholia wrote: post #349

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> Just give me a control panel. The old Control Panel is still there. > Trying to disable things like Cortana never works right. Cortana is a settable option. There's no reason to try to disable it. *> Now we have "Settings" too, which is just a mess. Settings is a clean, well-organized and simple app that does what most people want. It saves ordinary users from having to grapple with the Control Panel. You'd probabl…

> You'd probably do better if you spent more time in learn mode instead of in angry mode. And you'd probably do better if you weren't condescending towards other people's experiences and preferences. You say the Settings app is great, yet it's not great enough to replace the control panel? Redundant settings abound between the two? There are many reasons to want to disable Cortana-not just turn it off, because it doe…

There's an awful lot of settings in but actually, being on the preview version, you notice things move to the new settings app with every update. Also links to the control panel pop up in the settings app and the search finds the correct setting usually. They get better.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Lio »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #380
jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

>> The new "features" every cycle are more "lets put this phone feature on the desktop" What is it missing? It's been a while since I really wanted a feature in the desktop OS. All of the 'phone' features (besides launchpad) have made my life a lot easier (continuity, handoff, notification centre, even Siri from time to time).

It's missing high performance graphics drivers in the form of either openGL or Metal.

It's missing proper support for eGPU cards, which is currently the only way to add a high performance GPU to any currently produced Mac.

Blender, for instance, can't even make use of th GPU in my MacBook Pro because the openCL support in macOS is not good enough.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by [deleted] »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #380
jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

>> The new "features" every cycle are more "lets put this phone feature on the desktop" What is it missing? It's been a while since I really wanted a feature in the desktop OS. All of the 'phone' features (besides launchpad) have made my life a lot easier (continuity, handoff, notification centre, even Siri from time to time).

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Esau »

andai wrote: post #300
Esau wrote: post #230

I am currently on a Mac but I have been switching between Mac, Windows, UNIX, and BeOS since 1991. I generally find things to like in all of them. But what Microsoft has done with mandatory updates and forced telemetry is unacceptable to me. And because of that, Windows 10 is the first version of Windows that I have not installed since the release of version 3.0.

I installed W10 just to try it, to confirm that it was as terrible as everyone said. It was, and I decided to switch back just a few days after it had silently deleted the files required to undo the uninstall :( What's BeOS like?

I was under the impression that Windows 10 is quite decent except for the specific issues I mentioned.

As for BeOS I really liked it. It was very stable and fast if the hardware you had was supported[1]. It had great multi-CPU support, came with a BASH shell, and also BeFS - which with its support for arbitrary user defined metadata, which made things like email and music queries very interesting.

The downside of BeOS was that it didn't attract any big third party apps and that it was a single user operating system.

[1] I ran BeOS on a Gateway Performance 450 with the following (from memory) specs: 450mhz Pentium 3, 384MB of RAM, a nVidia TNT graphics card, and a Promise Ultra 66 IDE card. I eventually moved away from it when I upgraded to a Pentium 4 computer with RD-RAM.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by dualogy »

voltagex_ wrote: post #449
dualogy wrote: post #426

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Absolutely. Maybe it's also just a Fedora thing, installed it a week ago on my laptop that only had Win on it before, and from prior Linux experiences (Xubuntu & friends) just some ~3 years back I was absolutely baffled how everything installed quickly without a hitch, without glitches. HiDPI graphics recognition with a good default scaling, there , no config-file messing required. Wifi, there . NumPad, multi-touch t…

I'm surprised HiDPI is working so well for you. See my other comment but I'm guessing you don't run anything in WINE. Yes Fedora is miles better than other distros regarding HiDPI but there's still no way to force per-application scaling in Wayland. I mean, Windows doesn't get a pass here - you still can't scale HyperV, or anything involving mmc.exe, but Mac's HiDPI support is flawless.

> but I'm guessing you don't run anything in WINE

Now that is true. I can readily believe that Apple invests more efforts than the others in somehow ensuring even old no-longer-updated apps somehow render properly. It really is weird how the OS' font-scale factor seems to be ignored by so many old programs (or their GUI toolkits)!

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