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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Ezhik »

wildrhythms wrote: post #306
Ezhik wrote: post #232

The thing I'll miss the most about OS X is Miller columns in Finder.

Wow, I never really thought about this, but is Finder still the only major file manager with a proper miller column view? I use it exclusively to a point where I find that using other file managers (Windows Explorer, Thunar, Nautilus, etc) feels clunky and inefficient in comparison.

Yeah, same. Really fell in love with Miller columns and don't have a good file manager replacement on other OS.

Even worse, apparently both Thunar and Nautilus dropped their implementations.

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Post by domenukk »

scholia wrote: post #331
vram22 wrote: post #260

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Interesting. Yes, though I've never used Win 8 (and don't want to), from the little I had read, it seemed like the idea of trying to merge the mobile and desktop paradigms was a bad idea from the start, and doomed to fail.

Windows 8 didn't merge the mobile and desktop paradigms, it put the mobile paradigm over the top of the desktop. The apps stuff (Windows Runtime) was actually quite well done for a first try, but it was unfamiliar to Win32 users and got in the way. (Only one click away, but people are impatient and resist change.) Windows 10 does an excellent job of merging apps and traditional programs, though it's not strictly corr…

I, strangely enough, sometimes run Windows in Tablet mode and use it as tiling window manager. Works surprisingly well. Try it sometime.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by _0w8t »

brandall10 wrote: post #280
jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

FWIW, I have a 2016 13" nTB and have had a few trip over the power cord incidents. The USB-C cord snaps right out almost like magsafe for me... the laptop will get a nice tug and move an inch, but it comes out even on a slick countertop.

I had similar experience with MacBook 2015. Yes, the laptop did move, but that was less than 2" before the cable detached.

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Post by comex »

owenwil wrote: post #8
DannyBee wrote: post #5

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"Byproduct of mobile." If you need evidence: Swift appeared in IOS first and still is not great on the desktop at all. APFS (not AFS) is the default in IOS, and still in feature preview and pretty unusable in 10.12. It's "expected" it will be released for desktop in 2017 Siri on the desktop is mostly useless, as said here.

Right - that's simply a result of what I say in the post about Apple focusing on iOS first, then letting the byproduct of that filter down into OS X. That's a end-result of the Mac team being merged into the iOS team. Maybe it's not bad, but it just means slower overall progress.

For APFS, I don't buy that it has anything to do with prioritizing one operating system or the other. APFS wasn't ready when Sierra was released, which is why it was included as a beta with limited functionality. It seems to be ready now, so it will be included in the next version of iOS (10.3), which is still in beta, and presumably the next major release of macOS.

The only difference is that it's being released in a minor update to iOS but will probably wait for a major update to macOS. But that makes sense, because macOS allows the user to customize partitions and filesystems, and allows running other operating systems - including Boot Camp, which Apple itself must provide drivers for, and Linux, which is waiting on Apple releasing documentation for their filesystem, as they have promised to do. By contrast, iOS has the same partition layout on every single device and no cross-OS compatibility concerns. Thus APFS on macOS requires more work and has greater risk of failure. For both reasons, regardless of Apple's priorities, it would be logical to start with iOS. Even if Apple did add stable APFS support to a minor macOS update, they probably want to auto-convert users to APFS eventually, but doing so in a minor update would definitely piss off technical users; they could make it opt-in to start with, but it's easier to just wait.

The next version of macOS is only a few months away; really not a big deal.

(I agree that Apple seems to be prioritizing iOS in some areas; I just don't think APFS is one of them.)

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Post by throwanem »

andai wrote: post #289
Razengan wrote: post #234

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Can you give a reason why Enter to open a file is ideal, other than just because it's how Windows does it? The Windows Explorer uses Alt+Enter to show the properties of something, and in games and other apps that shortcut means Full Screen. Also, why does Alt+F4 quit an app? What does F4 stand for? Compared to Cmd+Q to Quit or Cmd+W to close it's a lot less intuitive. And so on and so forth.

I still haven't figured out how to actually open a file/folder in Finder (with the keyboard).

I hear it's Command-O.

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Post by photojosh »

freehunter wrote: post #205
mightybyte wrote: post #131

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I categorically refuse to pay more money to buy something to add on to an already overpriced laptop that sticks out from my computer's form factor and that should be built in. Fortunately for me I got a new laptop not long before this new abomination came out. If Apple doesn't correct this gigantic mistake, the next time I get a new laptop it won't be made by Apple.

Man you would absolutely hate to work any job that requires a serial connection then. Because let me tell you about the serial-to-USB adapters I've used... I wish I had the luxury of saying that I categorically refuse to pay more for something that sticks out of my computer that I think should be built in.

I do embedded dev; at any time I have 2-6 serial-USB adapters hooked up to my MBP. They are all plugged into an external 10 port USB hub though, would be a little harder to do it otherwise.

Anyway, back to your point, I most certainly do NOT want DB-9 or DB-25 ports on my laptop. ;)

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Post by FireBeyond »

jorvi wrote: post #352
Mithaldu wrote: post #197

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> Doubtful. Honestly, it depends on what you're looking at. In graphics power for example ALL macs suck. Even when you spend 5000$ on a workstation you barely get something that can hold even with top-of-the-line pc hardware. MBP: 2977 - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+Pro+450... iMac: 5714 - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+R9+M395... Mac Pro: 5178 - http://www.videocardbench…

Yes I know, but anyone that needs to do heavy graphics work hasn't been Apple's target market for a long time. That really started to show when they switched to only offering a discrete GPU on the most expensive 15inch MBP. In general I feel that no one (for now) can touch Apple in the laptop market, although half of the reason is macOS working so damn well on MacBooks. But other companies have other markets on lockd…

And yet they were first to market with 5K, and although not exclusive, make a point of citing color management as a priority in displays and software.

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Post by throwanem »

bluedino wrote: post #41

I'm not 100% happy with where Apple is at, but I don't think I ever was. But I'm not going to switch. I get the slickest hardware, great battery life, the best touchpad and keyboard, and a hi-resolution screen that doesn't have battery life, flicker, tint, or scaling issues. Windows is still...Windows. The bash subsystem is half-baked. Windows itself is still the same mess. Docking is still a joke. Performance is ter…

> Linux is still as bad as it ever was.

I agree, but why do this? Has it ever led to anything in your experience that was not a pointless and tiresome flame war?

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Post by russellbeattie »

freehunter wrote: post #239
Razengan wrote: post #152

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> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

There's a lot to not like about Windows's UI, but Explorer is worlds better than Finder, there's absolutely no comparison. Every day I still struggle to remember how to go up a level. Option+Up? Nope that selects the next folder up. Control+Up? No, that made all of my windows do something weird that I don't know what that is. Ah, it's Command+Up. As far as I can tell, there's no non-keyboard way to do it. I can't cli…

I've learned to right-click the title on the toolbar, which shows a dropdown of folders above the current one, which you can select to go up.

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Post by k-mcgrady »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

>> The new "features" every cycle are more "lets put this phone feature on the desktop"

What is it missing? It's been a while since I really wanted a feature in the desktop OS. All of the 'phone' features (besides launchpad) have made my life a lot easier (continuity, handoff, notification centre, even Siri from time to time).

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