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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Eridrus »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #204

Oddly enough, I found that reading the article carefully made me consider switching to Windows LESS. The author's primary issue seems to be the fact that Apple hasn't been packing the punch that is necessary for him, and that especially with his wanting to get started with VR the entire platform is a no-go for him atm. No arguments there. But curiously, he spends the bulk of the article either explaining or talking a…

If there's anything that people expect to stay constant about Apple is that they will try to tightly control their ecosystem and charge a premium for that.

If Apple just stopped doing those things, I'd consider running OSX, but they won't so it seems like an entirely pointless exercise.

It's the same iOS vs Android debate, Apple charge a premium but promise things will be significantly better, if they are only marginally better then it becomes harder to justify their premium and lock in.

I think the recent spate of articles are more about the fact that the gap has been narrowing significantly, partly due to Apple's neglect, partly due to Microsoft doing better, so the balance is changing for people on the margins.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by freehunter »

doczoidberg wrote: post #175
nik736 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Germany I see Mac products every day. Even in the train there are more MacBooks than Windows Laptops.

that is not true. people use clearly more windows laptops in germany

People use more Windows laptops than Mac laptops everywhere. Apple's marketshare is like 25%.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by Philipp__ »

owenwil wrote: post #4
coldtea wrote: post #3

> But recently, I realized I’d gotten tired of Apple’s attitude toward the desktop. The progress in macOS land has basically been dead since Yosemite, two years ago, and Apple’s updates to the platform have been incredibly small. So, like creating a full blown new programming language (Swift)? Or a full new filesystem (AFS)? Integration of Cloud storage directly to the desktop? Siri on the desktop? Saving RAM through…

>So, like creating a full blown new programming language (Swift)? Byproduct of Apple's work on mobile. > Or a full new filesystem (AFS)? Byproduct of Apple's work on mobile. > Siri on the desktop? Byproduct of mobile again! (By the way, ask Siri on Mac to set an alarm or interact with homekit!) But, I take your point. I tried to mostly detail Apple's lack of attention for developers, but perhaps missed the emphasis o…

By that logic, isn't iOS byproduct of OS X? I think people are overblowing the situation. I still rember Snow Leopard being best desktop OS I have ever used, but Sierra is still far far in front of Windows, and I realized that just when I sat in front of the computer with Windows 10 on it.

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Post by pessimizer »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

> First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Computer company who also made a phone.

You missed the most important stages in between: when they became a company that made cute, candy-colored computers that would match your Volkswagen New Beetle, then when they made a totally awesome mp3 player you could get to match it.

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Post by xorblurb »

nik736 wrote: post #148
diego_moita wrote: post #85

It is so funny to read these Apple vs. Windows discussions when you live outside of North America... The truth is that, for the rest of the world, "Apple platform" means only iOS, only the IPhone, nothing more. In Asia, Africa, Latin America and some parts of Europe, Macs and OSX are a rare species, most people spend years without even seeing a Mac computer "in the wild". They are used only for graphics editing and I…

Here in Germany I see Mac products every day. Even in the train there are more MacBooks than Windows Laptops.

For "PC" (laptop and desktop), the market share of Apple worldwide is somewhere between 6% and 10%. Linux is ~ 1 to 2%. The rest is mainly Windows.

Interestingly I could not found Germany on http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/ but here is Switzerland which have one of the highest OS X penetration of the world (the highest?)

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/switzerlan...

I don't have the figures for laptop only, but I don't believe for 1s that OS X is above Windows in any country (of a non-trivial size)

Maybe in certain extremely local areas, you see a highest concentration of mac laptops. Even then, I challenge you to count carefully and come back to us if you still find that mac laptops are more common than laptops running Windows. Of course there are some factors that can bias in favor of mac laptops, depending of where you look at. However, while that can be interesting from a socio-economical POV, keep in mind that Windows market share is, on average, consistently largely superior to OS X, regardless of if running on desktop or laptop computers.

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Post by tw04 »

Razengan wrote: post #152
arkades wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UI remains a convoluted Escher'esque nightmare. Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." My elderly mother can kludge her way through both of them, more or less reliably - admittedly, with more trouble than using her phone, but not a lot more. Nothing that a tech-illiterate can reasonably use on a day-to-day basis qualif…

> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

So to prove your point, you take a non-standard folder view on OSX, and a non-standard view on Windows to make the mac look simple and the windows version look convoluted.

A+

While you can argue about whether or not the option to modify folder settings belongs within that window or on a title bar, taking screenshots like that is dishonest, at best.

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Post by optimiz3 »

coldtea wrote: post #228
ynniv wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a professional developer, I don't want a new toy language. I'm buying a powerful laptop, I don't want cloud storage. I want the possibility to dual boot or share drives with other operating systems, I don't need a new proprietary filesystem. I don't want compressed memory, I want 32GB of RAM. And while I'm at it, I want a laptop with a real keyboard, not keys that have so little travel they feel like a touchscree…

> I'm a professional developer, I don't want a new toy language. First, there's nothing "toy: about Swift. It's a full featured language on par with Rust, Go, etc. Second, whether some random web dev or embedded C dev or Java dev wants Swift or not is irrelevant to its intended audience and utility. It's not for "professional developers" in general, it's for Mac/iOS application developers, and thus, for Mac/iOS users…

As a Linux/Windows developer, Swift remains a toy language as it cannot be used to do develop useful applications for Linux and Windows, where I make all of my money.

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Post by keithpeter »

doczoidberg wrote: post #175
nik736 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Germany I see Mac products every day. Even in the train there are more MacBooks than Windows Laptops.

that is not true. people use clearly more windows laptops in germany

You can both be correct depending on sampling.

UK Birmingham: 0700 trains to London (corporate types), Thinkpads, Dells and a few HP laptops all with Excel/Outlook in operation. A few hours later (students and younger people), it changes to tablets and Macs. Mostly watching films or doing Web stuff. And lots of phones.

I'd imagine a large percentage of Windows licenses in any country are for desktops sitting in offices (1000+ in my fairly small organsation alone).

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Post by lloydde »

My family is fully invested in the Mac and iPhone ecosystems for productivity. I recently purchased a 2012 Mac Pro. It was easy to justify as my wife is a photographer and uses the Mac versions of Photoshop and Lightroom.

I forgot how awesome it is to have a desktop/server online all the time at home and how much performance I had given up for the convenience of a laptop.

The lack of a used market for the 2nd generation (2013+) Mac Pro leaves me frustrated, but it's no surprise given that it was targeted for the designer niche and the rest of the desktop market has largely been subsumed by laptops.

I'm really encouraged by the growth of the Hackintosh community and all of the problems they have solved. That will likely be my next computer.

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Post by rimantas »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

You know what fans (the real ones) do? They try to know more about the thing they are fans of, and to understand it. Your comment shows nothing of the kind.
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