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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by dualogy »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #17

I used to be hardcore windows guy... Then 10 years ago I got a mac. I never went back.. But what am I saving money for right now? To build a nice PC again. Mostly because of the exact reasons in the article. I have a fondness for apple... but they have definitely lost their way. First, they were a computer company driven by a man who loved computers ("first" here is the Jobs return era) ... then they became a Compute…

> I wont buy a laptop without a magsafe or similar connection

Not a big deal nowadays, my mid-2014 Thinkpad has a similar connection (it won't ever drag the laptop when pulled), I'd think most laptops should have such connectors by now, "mag-safe" or other?

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by andreif »

My mother-in-law recently asked me for help with fixing her higher-level Asus laptop. It run Windows 7 and had enormous amount of malware. So I've spent a few days (incl. yesterday and today) cleaning it and upgrading to Windows 10. To say it was an awful experience is to say nothing. Rare thing works correctly. I must google each step, tying not to care about the horrific UI which is simply beyond understanding. It's still running anti-virus software trying to get rid of the last trojans, some of which seem not possible to remove. Screen resolution is off and stretched out, 1600x900 not supported, no drivers available. Whole day I keep thinking why people still torture themselves by using Windows. It's very apparent why support cost for Macs is lower than for Windows PC. Sorry for all the rage, but come on, macOS will still be much better OS than Windows even if Apple stops developing it for several years.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by andrewdski »

Razengan wrote: post #21

Oh please. Not this again. I recently had the pleasure of checking in on Windows for the second time in 7 years. I had been a PC user since the DOS days, starting on a 286, and going all the way to Windows 8 when I switched to Macs around 2010. I've only ever needed Windows for games since then, and decided to install Boot Camp on the 15" 2016 MacBook Pro that I just got (which happens to be a pretty good machine [1]…

An in-depth comparison would be most welcome. I use Windows (7) all day writing code at work, and use Sierra at home nights and weekends. I do prefer MacOS, but I'm very curious what your issues are because I don't see them. If I really wanted as powerful a (desktop) machine as I could get for gaming, I'd definitely go Windows. No contest. (I don't want that.)

Apple's notebooks are excellent, no argument there.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by eropple »

orangecat wrote: post #130
atl4s wrote: post #91

More FOTM moaning about the state of Apple. I can't believe people keep reading these "I left Apple and here's why you should care" articles by front end devs with no real idea of what goes into OS dev and where macOS has come from since the days of OS8. Give me a break, surely if you want to use Windows you don't need to write 2000 words in the form of some needlessly pronoun heavy (because your opinion is really im…

Welcome to the Internet, where people express their opinions on matters that are often trivial in the grand scheme of things. I trust you are equally annoyed at posts praising Macs? macOS has never been more stable or developer friendly The OS is fine, although largely in maintenance mode. The hardware value is poor and has gotten significantly worse in the last few years. I'm typing this on a retina iMac that I'm ve…

> now that Windows has decent high-DPI support

YMMV, but this is why I still use a Mac--because even Windows 10's high-DPI support is messy and not great. Applications act inconsistently and Windows is straight-up bad at handling different DPI on different devices (and when you've got two 27" 2560x1440 panels and the laptop's own panel, this is a pretty significant problem).

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by yborg »

jsgo wrote: post #89
coldtea wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it also indicates that Apple isn't really designing for the Mac as the author points out. Maybe they don't but I don't see them doing anything major on the iOS side either. Both platforms are quite mature by now anyway. (And Apple was never about revolutionary new designs and jumps. Back in the day of the iPod and early MBPs etc, we cheered and waited anxiously for at best incremental changes -- now it has USB,…

I'm sure they'll figure it out at some point, but the mystique of Apple only releasing something when it was "ready" has been over for a while now. So not only did it come later, it was less evolved than the Windows implementation a year prior. Cortana felt useful from day one for various tasks. Siri? Only in a subset cases.

Siri is a humiliating embarrassment. There is no other way to describe it. The only time I ever use it is for comedic relief, or to demonstrate the obvious superiority of either Google's, Microsoft's, or Amazon's implementations. To Apple, it's just another in a long series of marketing-driven features rolled out into some perceived white space in the competitive landscape and then abandoned. It's ridiculous that something so potentially game-changing to enable non-technical users, which is theoretically the market Apple thinks it owns, has gotten such short shrift at Apple, even in the face of growing (and superior) competition.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by mgamache »

johndoe4589 wrote: post #116

It's quite obvious that Apple is slowly converging iOS and OS X even as they say they are different beasts at the moment. Maybe that's why some power users's expectations are frustrated atm? But that is also precisely why Apple is still WAY ahead of Microsoft and co. They will be able to make the desktop and tablets converge where you can carry your computer in your bag, and when you're home you put it in a dock and…

Pretty strong opinion, but if you took an honest look at the Surface Pro 4 vs an iPad Pro, you might find that Apple is making a device that can't fulfill its promises. I am sure Apple has some great master plan that we haven't seen, but the reality is far from great right now. Logic Pro and iOS dev and the only reasons I still (sometimes) use OSX.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by jankotek »

andreif wrote: post #142

My mother-in-law recently asked me for help with fixing her higher-level Asus laptop. It run Windows 7 and had enormous amount of malware. So I've spent a few days (incl. yesterday and today) cleaning it and upgrading to Windows 10. To say it was an awful experience is to say nothing. Rare thing works correctly. I must google each step, tying not to care about the horrific UI which is simply beyond understanding. It'…

You did this wrong way. Complete wipe and reinstall is the only option for such infested computer.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by nik736 »

diego_moita wrote: post #85

It is so funny to read these Apple vs. Windows discussions when you live outside of North America... The truth is that, for the rest of the world, "Apple platform" means only iOS, only the IPhone, nothing more. In Asia, Africa, Latin America and some parts of Europe, Macs and OSX are a rare species, most people spend years without even seeing a Mac computer "in the wild". They are used only for graphics editing and I…

Here in Germany I see Mac products every day. Even in the train there are more MacBooks than Windows Laptops.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by vhakulinen »

hamandcheese wrote: post #104
vhakulinen wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you "can" switch between Windows Mac, why not give linux a spin? Like, if you're not building apps with native UI kits on those platforms, what is holding you on them?

Lack of compelling evidence that there's a *nix distro out there that will serve me better than macOS.

But are you switching to windows? Or have have you recently switched from windows to mac?

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by dualogy »

Razengan wrote: post #21

Oh please. Not this again. I recently had the pleasure of checking in on Windows for the second time in 7 years. I had been a PC user since the DOS days, starting on a 286, and going all the way to Windows 8 when I switched to Macs around 2010. I've only ever needed Windows for games since then, and decided to install Boot Camp on the 15" 2016 MacBook Pro that I just got (which happens to be a pretty good machine [1]…

> The UI remains a convoluted Escher'esque nightmare.

Totally disagree. I hopped from OS to OS for over a decade every other year or 3 (Win, OSX, Linuxes with various DMs/WMs) and it's always, always an adjustment period from "WTF is this" to "totally productive with this now", usually a matter of 1-2 weeks. Happy with Fedora/Gnome right now but have to say just Explorer itself beats Finder and Nautilus (rebranded as "Gnome Files" apparently now) for keyboard users when it comes to out-of-box file managers.

The weird new tiles/metro UI stuff they tried pushing from Win 8 is of course a pretty bad attempt to Microsoftify the "secondary desktop layer" concept that has been prevalent on the other OSes for longer, and better. It sucks, but also useless and thus not used for many/most power users I'd guess.

The rest of the "UI" question is in the hands of individual independent app developers, as it properly should be.

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