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System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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The ecosystem. That's its main selling point.

Thanks - for servers? Would this be used to host a database?

Christie covers the argument for proprietary ISA's in this discussion:

https://research.cs.wisc.edu/multifacet/papers/ieeemicro16_c...

It not the ISA that makes it desirable. It's all the tooling, apps, branding, and talent around it. You have to rebuild that stuff for new ISA's. You also have to get the market to trust a new one after so many perished. That is why companies pay ARM $1-15 million for licenses to use that ISA and brand name.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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I see that they're releasing a new laptop: https://system76.com/laptops/galago This is probably the first laptop from them that I could consider buying, judging solely on that small picture of it. Still super-thick, and I don't know if I would feel comfortable buying that over the XPS, but at least it's got HiDPI, which for the price they sell their laptops for I feel should be included.

>Still super-thick You make your laptops super thin and people complain about ports and only 16GB of RAM and no repairability. You make your laptops repairable with three different kinds of USB ports plus HDMI and 32GB of RAM, and people complain it's super-thick.

It's like different people have different opinion on stuff!

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Ugh. That's not acceptable. Ok. I asked because I've seen someone make a huge fuss about a pixel that was simply dead (off) and I probably would not have noticed at all. But a bright green on pixel no matter where on the screen would be a continuous distraction for me.

When I got my current monitor I noticed it had a dead (on) bright red pixel. I was originally extremely upset with this and it was super distracting, but then 2 days later I didn't notice it anymore, and now I can't even remember where it is. That was like 3+ years ago I think.

The wavelength most noticeable to the human eye is yellow-green - I wonder if we're less apt to notice depending on wavelength?

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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>Still super-thick You make your laptops super thin and people complain about ports and only 16GB of RAM and no repairability. You make your laptops repairable with three different kinds of USB ports plus HDMI and 32GB of RAM, and people complain it's super-thick.

It's like different people have different opinion on stuff!

But they all share one thing in common: complaining on the Internet about products that aren't marketed toward them.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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aah system 76. I hope they have improved recently with their customer service but I had a horrible experience with them back in 2013 when they had to replace a keyboard (the CEO actually sent an email explaining how shitty their keyboard was) and when I asked for a refund, they simply refused. NO refunds. I had to literally open the laptop myself and install the new keyboard. I am not one of those types who asks for…

So we have a data point from four years ago and you are still harboring a resentment so hard that you feel you need to air your grievances for a completely different product. I get it. Hell hath no fury like a customer scorned.

Could be ten years ago, doesn't matter, if they cant support consumer laptops what makes you think a 5/6 figure server they'll do warranty any better.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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This is a Gigabyte server, probably one of the following: http://b2b.gigabyte.com/Rack-Server/R150-T61-rev-110 http://b2b.gigabyte.com/Rack-Server/R150-T62-rev-100 What value-add does System76 provide?

The ability to actually buy it? I'm not joking; most ODM equipment is a hassle to buy, especially in small quantities for POCs.

also the ability to RMA faulty gear, get support, yell at someone to send you stuff faster, although ... judging from the comments in this thread, maybe not.

fwiw, nobody in this space really gives a shit about you unless you're spending $50k or more, and realistically $250k or more on an ongoing basis. you're better off going to fry's or buying from a used gear vendor if you want small quantities.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Remember Intel is market leader making full-custom CPU's with more money thrown at each one than these small companies have. They also optimize the heck out of single-core performance which most RISC multicores don't. I think it's one of those things where you have to choose best bang for buck supporting an oligopoly or sacrifice some performance/cash to encourage new product development. Market says it overwhelmingl…

Even in multi-threaded benchmarks, where it should shine, it's getting murdered. ARM is a very promising platform and there's no technical reason why it can't out-perform Intel. It's just a matter of engineering it with that intent. Right now it's primarily intended to be efficient and good enough for mobile phones.

> there's no technical reason why it can't out-perform Intel

I think "engineering capabilities and experience" is a valid technical reason.

But the real "reason" is most likely branch prediction and caching. I wouldn't be surprised if Intel's NetBurst microarchitecture was more complex than the entire CPU section of an ARM processor. I'm having trouble finding transistor count for the CPU section, for ARM.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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aah system 76. I hope they have improved recently with their customer service but I had a horrible experience with them back in 2013 when they had to replace a keyboard (the CEO actually sent an email explaining how shitty their keyboard was) and when I asked for a refund, they simply refused. NO refunds. I had to literally open the laptop myself and install the new keyboard. I am not one of those types who asks for…

From my experience their repair services are somewhat understaffed: they did a fine job as described but I had to keep asking them for status updates and it took about a month. Kind of a sharp contrast to the ThinkPad overnight shipping, same-day repair, overnight return shipping experience.

I was thinking that System76 might have problems not being in a volume sweet spot; IBM and later Lenovo could invest a lot in a fancy, well-staffed repair facility near a shipment hub, while System76 may get warranty and repair requests that feel only occasional and so just can't support huge investments in being great and fast at it. :-(

I'm still hoping to continue supporting them because of their commitment to Linux-based computing. (Edit: other people in this thread sure didn't seem to like their laptops, but I guess I had a much better experience in other respects.)

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks - for servers? Would this be used to host a database?

Christie covers the argument for proprietary ISA's in this discussion: https://research.cs.wisc.edu/multifacet/papers/ieeemicro16_c... It not the ISA that makes it desirable. It's all the tooling, apps, branding, and talent around it. You have to rebuild that stuff for new ISA's. You also have to get the market to trust a new one after so many perished. That is why companies pay ARM $1-15 million for licenses to use…

Since we're talking about servers, it doesn't seem like any of those are advantages for ARM compared to x86.
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