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System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by kristianp »

salimmadjd wrote: post #12

So many product lines for such a small company. Laptops, Desktops, Servers. Not even Apple is able to effectively manage this many different products. I don't know much about them, but from my first impression it looks like a company with lack of focus. I'm not sure how they will be able to create killer product in any of the segments they're trying to compete in. Based on my above observation (admittedly superficial…

> Not even Apple is able to effectively manage this many different products.

That's funny, because Apple is the exception, it has far fewer products than any large PC or phone manufacturer. Apple is hyper-focused, much to the chagrin of people who'd like to buy an updated Mac Pro workstation.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by jdreaver »

chx wrote: post #33
codegeek wrote: post #6

aah system 76. I hope they have improved recently with their customer service but I had a horrible experience with them back in 2013 when they had to replace a keyboard (the CEO actually sent an email explaining how shitty their keyboard was) and when I asked for a refund, they simply refused. NO refunds. I had to literally open the laptop myself and install the new keyboard. I am not one of those types who asks for…

So we have a data point from four years ago and you are still harboring a resentment so hard that you feel you need to air your grievances for a completely different product. I get it. Hell hath no fury like a customer scorned.

I have two coworkers that just had to get replacement keyboards for their System76 laptops. They have to replace them themselves as well.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by brianwawok »

vhost- wrote: post #34
analognoise wrote: post #7

I wanted to like System76. I had a dead pixel on a new machine that was to be my new workhorse AAAAAND that's how I learned what a dead pixel policy is! Turns out, theirs was rubbish. The whole laptop wasn't elegant or well constructed, but it was durable. I had to send it in for repairs once, that went well. Still, I'd never buy anything of theirs again. Ever.

I had 3 on a brand new macbook years ago and apple wouldn't take it back because it wasn't enough. they were very noticeable.

Don't you have a 14 day return window for any reason?

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by astrodust »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #29
astrodust wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch. If it's having trouble keeping pace with the E6-2670v1 that's not good. That's an 8-core chip from 2012. You can get them on eBay for $75.

Remember Intel is market leader making full-custom CPU's with more money thrown at each one than these small companies have. They also optimize the heck out of single-core performance which most RISC multicores don't. I think it's one of those things where you have to choose best bang for buck supporting an oligopoly or sacrifice some performance/cash to encourage new product development. Market says it overwhelmingl…

Even in multi-threaded benchmarks, where it should shine, it's getting murdered.

ARM is a very promising platform and there's no technical reason why it can't out-perform Intel. It's just a matter of engineering it with that intent. Right now it's primarily intended to be efficient and good enough for mobile phones.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by jldugger »

salimmadjd wrote: post #12

So many product lines for such a small company. Laptops, Desktops, Servers. Not even Apple is able to effectively manage this many different products. I don't know much about them, but from my first impression it looks like a company with lack of focus. I'm not sure how they will be able to create killer product in any of the segments they're trying to compete in. Based on my above observation (admittedly superficial…

Note that they're primarily rebadging existing products, while apple is far more involved in the design and manufacture of new products.

Also note that their niche is shipping Linux preinstalled devices. If they did have a killer mass consumer product, they'd have a difficult time coping with consumers expecting and demanding windows on PCs.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by cestith »

kristianp wrote: post #41
salimmadjd wrote: post #12

So many product lines for such a small company. Laptops, Desktops, Servers. Not even Apple is able to effectively manage this many different products. I don't know much about them, but from my first impression it looks like a company with lack of focus. I'm not sure how they will be able to create killer product in any of the segments they're trying to compete in. Based on my above observation (admittedly superficial…

> Not even Apple is able to effectively manage this many different products. That's funny, because Apple is the exception, it has far fewer products than any large PC or phone manufacturer. Apple is hyper-focused, much to the chagrin of people who'd like to buy an updated Mac Pro workstation.

Or an XServe.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by throwaway91111 »

chx wrote: post #33
codegeek wrote: post #6

aah system 76. I hope they have improved recently with their customer service but I had a horrible experience with them back in 2013 when they had to replace a keyboard (the CEO actually sent an email explaining how shitty their keyboard was) and when I asked for a refund, they simply refused. NO refunds. I had to literally open the laptop myself and install the new keyboard. I am not one of those types who asks for…

So we have a data point from four years ago and you are still harboring a resentment so hard that you feel you need to air your grievances for a completely different product. I get it. Hell hath no fury like a customer scorned.

Well, to be fair, it's not just one data point, that's failed customer service for an entire product—most likely thousands of data points.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Post by magila »

chx wrote: post #36
wmf wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10353/investigating-cavium-thu... https://www.servethehome.com/exclusive-first-cavium-thunderx... https://www.servethehome.com/cavium-thunderx-micro-benchmark...

The big deal is on the http://www.anandtech.com/show/10353/investigating-cavium-thu... page: the MySQL transactions per watt is absymal compared to the Xeon D. Really, badly absymal. So... this is not a useful server. When someone says ARM I am thinking "low power" but this is a 120W CPU which is beaten by the 65W Xeon D-1581. Pass. Let me emphasize: very often I do not care about absolute performance numbers because…

The TDP numbers from the specs does not necessarily reflect the power draw you will see in practice. Test results here https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-R... show the Ryzen 1800X (95W TDP) actually drawing 20% more power than a 7700K (91W TDP) and about the same as a 6950X (140W TDP).
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