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Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by WalterSear »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #79
employee8000 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber employee here. I don't believe Uber would be stupid enough to investigate or disparage Susan. She is and should be untouchable. In my opinion Uber should offer her a full apology, their thanks, and "make it right" financially. I don't think you understand the level of support Susan has at Uber. And the level of anger that her blog post erupted within Uber towards management. She has every employees' support. And…

...but she says this is happening, so where's the revolt? I'm not sure how you can support Susan but than pick and choose what to believe about her experience, then and now with Uber. That's not support.

It appears there is already a revolt going on, fwiw.

https://twitter.com/physicsNcoffee/status/834566962998960128

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by mikestew »

bigethan wrote: post #14
mikestew wrote: post #6

Umm, okay. I would fully expect this. Ms. Fowler seems to be a large liability for Uber. I don't find it unreasonable that "Uber has a law firm investigating ", if for no other reason than to find what she knew and when she knew it (or something along those lines), were she to sue what are the potential ramifications, et. al. IOW, I'm not going to run in circles over a seven word tweet that could mean about anything.

The seven words in the HN title are not the tweet. Part of the actual tweet is: "Uber names/blames me for account deletes" That's a much more aggressive approach than the defensive reasoning you're conjuring out of thin air.

The seven words in the HN title are not the tweet.

Then it shouldn't have been in quotes (I see that it's since been changed).

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by zaphar »

arkona wrote: post #99
crispyambulance wrote: post #96

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"Pitchforks" is a bit melodramatic. But basically, nothing which Fowler has said seems suspicious or in any way promoting a malicious agenda. Her blog post was straightforward and referred to events, people and communications which, I expect, can be referenced by the UBER HR department and I hope that she has retained the evidence if she needs it to protect herself. That seems perfectly reasonable.

Yes, let's hope she has retained the evidence and she shows some of it. > nothing which Fowler has said seems suspicious or in any way promoting a malicious agenda. It is suspicious that considering the number of people involved in this alleged systematic abuse, no one has stepped forward to corroborate her claims. The leather jackets story also strikes me as very far-fetched and a little incredible to believe (a com…

Re: the leather jackets, I think you might be underestimating the ability of people to be simultaneously stubborn and incompetent. I don't find that story to be at all unbelievable.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by ci5er »

princeb wrote: post #58

i thought the harassment story was bad but did everyone miss the totally malfunctioning hr review process and awful culture in susan's story? I just thought that was the hidden part of the iceberg - that there is some kind of crazy lord of the flies thing going on there that is the root of all the harassment and the other bizarre behaviour between teams there. I just don't see it as a very nice place to work unless y…

Same piece, right? Or was there a mini-series?

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by jlgaddis »

gsylvie wrote: post #46
thedz wrote: post #15

The title of this submission is a strict paraphrasing (despite being in quotes) of an already short tweet, which is pretty meh. The full tweet is: "Uber names/blames me for account deletes, and has a different law firm -not Holders - investigating me. I have hired" "Uber names/blames me for account deletes" is a pretty bold claim, and doesn't feel like a routine investigation.

Fowler has probably received a letter from an Uber hired lawyer asking her to take down the blog and threatening to sue her for damages. Why else would she hire a lawyer? I see no other reason why she would hire a lawyer except to respond to a scary letter on scary letterhead that was probably personally served to her doorstep. (Which alone is a horrible experience one wishes on no one.) Everyone, buy that Microservi…

It includes an affiliate code ("tag=susanfowler-20"). I don't know how much that would pay out but I assume she'd end up with more if you just sent her $1. (I'm hoping she provides a way for others to contribute towards her legal costs.)

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by jlgaddis »

crispyambulance wrote: post #97
gremlinsinc wrote: post #69

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just keep installing/deleting it repeatedly.

That will do nothing. What you want to do is delete your account after logging into the UBER website. That is permanent, but it does allow you enter a reason why you are deleting the account. In this case, I suppose thousands of people entered "Susan Fowler" as the reason. It sends a message. Whether the company is destined to become a shadow of itself before it understands the message is another question.

Exactly. I suspect a lot of people who deleted the Uber app (quick and easy) never bothered to subsequently log in and go through the process of actually deleting their account. In fact, many likely assumed (incorrectly) that deleting the app deleted their account as well.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by mattieuga »

chaser7016 wrote: post #42
jefftchan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, "Names/blames me for account deletes" is probably related to: http://www.complex.com/life/2017/02/uber-users-deleting-app-... https://twitter.com/FamousCeleb/status/834567373214539776/ph...

Why does a user have to email a company to delete their account? How is that consumer friendly, especially after Uber lets your account get hacked/1k stolen! This happened to me (I never used Uber.. signed up and forgot about it) and in my research I found out they know about the hacks and their PR message is its the user's fault for using a lame password. What a horrible company.. run by the worst vile, corrupt, arr…

To be fair here, having to send an email to delete your account is true of the vast majority of companies.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by [deleted] »

bharath28 wrote: post #63
therealdrag0 wrote: post #54

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Does anyone know if apps get a chance to phone home about their deletion? Is the owner going to see a specific stat about this action?

iOS has no documented event for apps to be notified when an app is deleted. I assume it is the same in Android.

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Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by gsylvie »

jlgaddis wrote: post #105
gsylvie wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fowler has probably received a letter from an Uber hired lawyer asking her to take down the blog and threatening to sue her for damages. Why else would she hire a lawyer? I see no other reason why she would hire a lawyer except to respond to a scary letter on scary letterhead that was probably personally served to her doorstep. (Which alone is a horrible experience one wishes on no one.) Everyone, buy that Microservi…

It includes an affiliate code ("tag=susanfowler-20"). I don't know how much that would pay out but I assume she'd end up with more if you just sent her $1. (I'm hoping she provides a way for others to contribute towards her legal costs.)

O'Reilly sends her royalty cheques, too, for every sale, so I'm sure it's worth more than $1 to her!

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by lamontcg »

stale2002 wrote: post #88
arkona wrote: post #34

I may be missing something but why isn't the burden of proving those allegations on Susan Fowler? Why are we so quick to point fingers at Uber without even giving them the chance to defend themselves? Many people hate Uber and what they do. There is a strong incentive to smear the company. Smearing Uber has been done in the past when the whole #deleteUber was started becaude Uber drivers were not force to participate…

This is not a court of law. We as individuals can take a look at all of the evidence available about the illegal things that Uber does, and decide for ourselves if the allegations are credible. This is not about 1 story by one woman who was harassed. This is a story about a dozen women who are already coming forward, and a toxic culture that anyone at Uber can confirm exists. If Uber wants people to give them the ben…

Also there's an overall pattern of behavior, its not just women in the company being harassed, its also the treatment of the drivers, all the things Lyft is suing them over doing, and even their sketchy "rides of glory" post show that their corporate culture just doesn't understand how to not be a complete asshole.
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