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Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#91

Post by employee8000 »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #79
employee8000 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber employee here. I don't believe Uber would be stupid enough to investigate or disparage Susan. She is and should be untouchable. In my opinion Uber should offer her a full apology, their thanks, and "make it right" financially. I don't think you understand the level of support Susan has at Uber. And the level of anger that her blog post erupted within Uber towards management. She has every employees' support. And…

...but she says this is happening, so where's the revolt? I'm not sure how you can support Susan but than pick and choose what to believe about her experience, then and now with Uber. That's not support.

Because she is unfortunately incorrect. Just because I support her doesn't mean I can't be factually objective. It sounds like some sort of miscommunication.

Here is the official statement from Uber:

"The law firm Perkins Coie is looking into the specific allegations raised by Susan. They will report into Eric Holder, who is responsible for the overall investigation into Uber's workplace practices. To be clear: they are investigating Susan's claims, not Susan personally."

In an email from one of our lawyers, she specifically mentions that Uber has been in constant contact with Susan's lawyers so this was a surprise. And that Uber of course doesn't hold Susan to blame for anything.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#92

Post by [deleted] »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #79
employee8000 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber employee here. I don't believe Uber would be stupid enough to investigate or disparage Susan. She is and should be untouchable. In my opinion Uber should offer her a full apology, their thanks, and "make it right" financially. I don't think you understand the level of support Susan has at Uber. And the level of anger that her blog post erupted within Uber towards management. She has every employees' support. And…

...but she says this is happening, so where's the revolt? I'm not sure how you can support Susan but than pick and choose what to believe about her experience, then and now with Uber. That's not support.

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Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#93

Post by alphonsegaston »

employee8000 wrote: post #91
alphonsegaston wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...but she says this is happening, so where's the revolt? I'm not sure how you can support Susan but than pick and choose what to believe about her experience, then and now with Uber. That's not support.

Because she is unfortunately incorrect. Just because I support her doesn't mean I can't be factually objective. It sounds like some sort of miscommunication. Here is the official statement from Uber: "The law firm Perkins Coie is looking into the specific allegations raised by Susan. They will report into Eric Holder, who is responsible for the overall investigation into Uber's workplace practices. To be clear: they…

I'm sorry, but I'll wait for futher word from Susan on this. Uber and it's surrogates have little in the way of credibility in this regard, given that they've intentionally lied about similar behavior in the past.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/15/12201134/uber-ergo-admit-l...

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#94

Post by Daishiman »

arkona wrote: post #70
abpavel wrote: post #68

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Accusation put forth against Cosby and Trump did not follow your assumptions.

The Cosby case is still ongoing, but what accusations have been put forth against Trump and confirmed (except the "pussy tape")? It would be a huge scandal if the president of the US was found guilty of sexual misconduct.

"Except" the pussy tape? You mean your require a couple more notches of unacceptable behavior to even consider this?

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#95

Post by employee8000 »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #93
employee8000 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because she is unfortunately incorrect. Just because I support her doesn't mean I can't be factually objective. It sounds like some sort of miscommunication. Here is the official statement from Uber: "The law firm Perkins Coie is looking into the specific allegations raised by Susan. They will report into Eric Holder, who is responsible for the overall investigation into Uber's workplace practices. To be clear: they…

I'm sorry, but I'll wait for futher word from Susan on this. Uber and it's surrogates have little in the way of credibility in this regard, given that they've intentionally lied about similar behavior in the past. http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/15/12201134/uber-ergo-admit-l...

That's your prerogative. I choose to believe this was a misunderstanding on the part of Susan. Of course, if there is further evidence then I would love to hear it and make a new decision then.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#96

Post by crispyambulance »

arkona wrote: post #86
crispyambulance wrote: post #57

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Uber has a history of atrocious behavior. If you want to talk about "smearing" ask Sarah Lacy about Uber circa 2014. As for "the burden of proving" what, exactly, do you expect? Screenshots of the harassment? The "hard proof" is for a court, if it comes to that, and not you, the general public.

Uber's opponents also have a history of atrocious behavior. I could cite numerous assaults against Uber drivers by taxi drivers, unfair lobbying of politicians, slander and hit pieces by so-called journalists etc. Whether we are in a court of law or not, the burden of proof must remain on the accuser. So far, Susan Fowler has provided no proof. There is no tape, no email, no corroboration by other witnesses. Are we j…

"Pitchforks" is a bit melodramatic.

But basically, nothing which Fowler has said seems suspicious or in any way promoting a malicious agenda.

Her blog post was straightforward and referred to events, people and communications which, I expect, can be referenced by the UBER HR department and I hope that she has retained the evidence if she needs it to protect herself. That seems perfectly reasonable.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#97

Post by crispyambulance »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #69
hyperbovine wrote: post #27

I only regret that I have but one app to delete

just keep installing/deleting it repeatedly.

That will do nothing.

What you want to do is delete your account after logging into the UBER website. That is permanent, but it does allow you enter a reason why you are deleting the account. In this case, I suppose thousands of people entered "Susan Fowler" as the reason.

It sends a message. Whether the company is destined to become a shadow of itself before it understands the message is another question.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#98

Post by arkona »

Daishiman wrote: post #94
arkona wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Cosby case is still ongoing, but what accusations have been put forth against Trump and confirmed (except the "pussy tape")? It would be a huge scandal if the president of the US was found guilty of sexual misconduct.

"Except" the pussy tape? You mean your require a couple more notches of unacceptable behavior to even consider this?

Ummm... yes?

> Accusation put forth against Cosby and Trump

How does the pussy tape prove the rape accusations?

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#99

Post by arkona »

crispyambulance wrote: post #96
arkona wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber's opponents also have a history of atrocious behavior. I could cite numerous assaults against Uber drivers by taxi drivers, unfair lobbying of politicians, slander and hit pieces by so-called journalists etc. Whether we are in a court of law or not, the burden of proof must remain on the accuser. So far, Susan Fowler has provided no proof. There is no tape, no email, no corroboration by other witnesses. Are we j…

"Pitchforks" is a bit melodramatic. But basically, nothing which Fowler has said seems suspicious or in any way promoting a malicious agenda. Her blog post was straightforward and referred to events, people and communications which, I expect, can be referenced by the UBER HR department and I hope that she has retained the evidence if she needs it to protect herself. That seems perfectly reasonable.

Yes, let's hope she has retained the evidence and she shows some of it.

> nothing which Fowler has said seems suspicious or in any way promoting a malicious agenda.

It is suspicious that considering the number of people involved in this alleged systematic abuse, no one has stepped forward to corroborate her claims. The leather jackets story also strikes me as very far-fetched and a little incredible to believe (a company like Uber wouldn't care about the cost of 6 extra jackets and wouldn't take the PR risk of pulling shit like that).

> "Pitchforks" is a bit melodramatic.

Hashtag #DeleteUber is exactly what the proverbial pitchforks look like in 2017.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

#100

Post by [deleted] »

noonespecial wrote: post #44
Neliquat wrote: post #2

It seems to me, that any decent Law firm would have told her not to tweet about it imho. /ianal

You are right. A lawyer's job is to minimize your legal risk. The least risky thing to do is to keep silent. That's what he'll reliably tell you to do. It's your job to decide how much risk you are willing to take to speak out. Some fights are worth fighting.

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