Earlier quoted context omitted.
Terrible strawman. Travis didn't mug anyone.
The driver in the video claims otherwise.
And his claim is ridiculous. Do you actually have a point to make?
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Re: A profound apology
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should he have to apologise for this? This is normal 'robust' conversation between an employer and an employee who have a disagreement. The driver is apparently bankrupt (well done), so I would not be at all surprised if he deliberately tried to bait Travis into this conversation so he'd have a story to sell. At the end of the Bloomberg article where this surfaced, they noted that the driver got 1 Star for that r…
You one of those who never ever talks to their Uber drivers? Talk to them sometime. Here in NYC, it's their full time gig, requires TLC license and expensive commercial insurance paid upfront. Not to mention the car which is financed. People take a big risk investing in Uber driving and they get lured with deceptive ads promising "guaranteed income" they can't actually attain. The money the drivers are making is an a…
Uber is still raking people in on the promise of it being a lucrative gig. They even have TV ads now. It's disgusting.
Re: A profound apology
#383Putting Travis to the side, nobody cares about the privacy of the two ladies in the video who have been involuntarily dragged into national news? (i assume nobody asked their consent to publish the video)
You give up your privacy when you enter an Uber vehicle.
If the two ladies are upset, they should address the issue with Travis the next time they hang out.
Re: A profound apology
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
The $97k, and the reason the driver is bankrupt has a ton to do with Travis' actions as CEO of Uber, and is where Uber becomes, in a non-traditional sense, the vendor to the driver. Uber behaved as the vendor for a $97k auto loan, in so far as Uber is the one with the big name that worked with car dealers and loan companies to get into the subprime auto loan business because that's what a bunch of stand up guys Uber…
Holy shit. That explains why I took a S550 the other day despite it being an UberX ride. This would have been avoided if Uber had never got into the auto loan business. This is gross. I'm glad to have deleted my account and go full Lyft.
Not so fast! Lyft has done something rather similar: http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Lyft-Plus-changes-ups...
Re: A profound apology
#385Please help me understand this. These Uber drivers disrupted the regular cab/taxi business by driving their wages low, and now their complain is their wages are going low? Sorry but that is how capitalism/free market economy in general works. You won't always be on the positive side of the profit.
No. "Uber Black" requires a luxury car and uber offers a 3 year lease program to help drivers purchase a vehicle. People signed up and then uber changed the rules so that they now have to accept "Uber x" fares too. Uber changed the rules and drivers are, correctly, pissed.
Re: A profound apology
#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand, the person he's complaining to had a direct role to play in the fall in his income (justified or not).
Is that true? Or did the market force Uber to lower prices?
> did the market force Uber to lower prices
Even if that's true, the CEO is the right person to make a complaint to. Or do you think the cab driver should get an economics degree and acquire a fine understanding of market forces?
Re: A profound apology
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should he have to apologise for this? This is normal 'robust' conversation between an employer and an employee who have a disagreement. The driver is apparently bankrupt (well done), so I would not be at all surprised if he deliberately tried to bait Travis into this conversation so he'd have a story to sell. At the end of the Bloomberg article where this surfaced, they noted that the driver got 1 Star for that r…
Actually the driver rated Kalanick 1 star: > Later, the Uber driver app prompts him to rate Kalanick, as he does all his riders. Kamel gives him one star.
Ah he did indeed, I misread that. In that case the driver almost certainly sold this story.
Re: A profound apology
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except it's not linked. It's an unclickable relative URL. Also, if I wanted to read about this on Reddit, I'd be over on Reddit. I'm here because I want to read the comments from HN users.
Clickable - https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/5wrdk2/car_that_uber_... Full text of /u/clonetent's comment: "It's their xchangleasing leasing program. It's basically a sub prime car loan like from the housing bubble days. You use Uber as your income verification and they'll let anyone lease a car provided they do X amount rides each week regardless of credit. They require a three year lease, you a have month to…
The lease program seems predatory....
Re: A profound apology
#389Here's the conversation that took place: Travis: So we are reducing the number of black cars in the next few months. Fawzi: It’s good. Travis: You probably saw some email. Fawzi: I saw the email [that says] it starts in May. But you’re raising the standards and dropping the prices. Travis: We’re not dropping the prices on Black. Fawzi: But in general. Travis: In general, but we have competitors. Otherwise we’d be out…
Personally, I didn't find this disproportionately disrespectful. The driver makes a couple unsubstantiated claims (perfectly ok--it's a car discussion). Travis does the same. The driver starts making accusations ("you keep changing every day"). Travis asks for clarification. The driver keeps up his attack ("You changed the whole business! You dropped the prices.") If someone accused me in such a fashion, and persiste…
> And saying that some people don't like to take responsibility for their own shit is, well, true?
I find this argument laughable in the contexts it is usually brought up.
Travis has had a much more gifted existence than many. His upbringing is publically available. Educated family and access lots of others, including a number of people Travis relies on to drive for Uber, did not have these things.
All of them supplied by a culture around him. A culture that protects the haves and shits on the have nots. Our economy demands for a very specific reason: if we strove for equality, the powers that be would not be the powers that be.
To ever say these people are some mythical "self-made" person is utter nonsense.
It sounds good in a vacuum, but reality is not a vacuum.
If Uber drivers took responsibility for their own shit, there wouldn't be Uber drivers. That TK can claim to be successful on his own given this is just more evidence he truly does need to grow up.
Re: A profound apology
#390Here's the conversation that took place: Travis: So we are reducing the number of black cars in the next few months. Fawzi: It’s good. Travis: You probably saw some email. Fawzi: I saw the email [that says] it starts in May. But you’re raising the standards and dropping the prices. Travis: We’re not dropping the prices on Black. Fawzi: But in general. Travis: In general, but we have competitors. Otherwise we’d be out…
Ffs why use code formatting? This is unreadable on mobile.
Agreed. I don't know why people post it as monotype or why HN still renders it so you have to side-scroll. If "that's how you got it", it takes five seconds to fix. Here you go:
Travis: So we are reducing the number of black cars in the next few months.
Fawzi: It’s good.
Travis: You probably saw some email.
Fawzi: I saw the email [that says] it starts in May. But you’re raising the standards and dropping the prices.
Travis: We’re not dropping the prices on Black.
Fawzi: But in general.
Travis: In general, but we have competitors. Otherwise we’d be out of business.
Fawzi: Competitors? You had the business model in your hands, you could have the prices you want but you choose to buy everybody a ride.
Travis: No, no no. You misunderstand me. We started high-end. We didn’t go low-end because we wanted to. We went low-end because we had to because we’d be out of business.
Fawzi: But people are not trusting you anymore. Do you think people will buy cars anymore? ... I lost $97,000 because of you. I'm bankrupt because of you. You keep changing every day. You keep changing every day.
Travis: Hold on a second. What have I changed about Black?
Fawzi: You changed the whole business! You dropped the prices.
Travis: On Black? Bullshit.
Fawzi: We started with $20.
Travis: You know what, some people don't like to take responsibility for their own shit. They blame everything in their life on somebody else. Good luck!
Fawzi: Good luck to you too, I know that you aren’t going to go far.