In this day and age of the NSA, let them record it and put it all over the internet. I have a dash cam myself, but not for inside the car, although it does record the audio inside, (which can pick up some outside audio).
In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares
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#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kalanick's opinions and behaviour are obviously of interest to the public right now. There are quite a few anecdotes that, taken together, paint the picture of a thoroughly chauvinistic CEO with a bit of social darwinism thrown in for good measure. His comments here further that impression: he throws around jingoism in his awkward attempt to impress his companions ("every year is hard for Uber...") and is either unin…
It's amazing that someone who tried to deceive poor people into taking subprime loans in pursuit of his monopolistic dumping scheme, chooses to scream "personal responsibility" at a bankrupted immigrant. And the first thing people do is debate the ethics of recording him.
Out of curiosity, what's his involvement with "monopolistic dumping scheme"?
Looking through his Wikipedia (ok, not a fantastic reference source ;) ) entry, there doesn't seem to be any mention of involvement (employment/directorships/etc) with financial institutions.
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Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's amazing that someone who tried to deceive poor people into taking subprime loans in pursuit of his monopolistic dumping scheme, chooses to scream "personal responsibility" at a bankrupted immigrant. And the first thing people do is debate the ethics of recording him.
Out of curiosity, what's his involvement with "monopolistic dumping scheme"? Looking through his Wikipedia (ok, not a fantastic reference source ;) ) entry, there doesn't seem to be any mention of involvement (employment/directorships/etc) with financial institutions. ?
Uber's business model is to create a monopoly on a variety of transportation services using VC cash to dump the market, drive out their competitors, and then jack up prices:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)
Here's the info about their subprime lending:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/3/11852940/uber-subprime-auto...
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#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I just find it hard to follow the logic to how that makes them employees. The IRS has guidelines: http://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/appx_d_irs_ic_test.html Arguments for drivers as employees: Behavioral Control 1a (the relevant argument I am making), 1b (Black drivers have specific types of cars), 1f Type of Relationship 11 > What I feel like uber has done is automated the process of hiring contractors for on th…
All good points. Thanks. I had not considered that way before. I think 1a and 1f are the strongests points. I do feel 1b is a bit of a stretch. I don't think somebody becomes an employee because they require you to use a hammer and not a rock to push nails into wood when building a house. While that is not the best analogy I think you should be able to expect the contractor to show up to work with the right tools to…
> I don't think somebody becomes an employee because they require you to use a hammer and not a rock to push nails into wood when building a house. While that is not the best analogy I think you should be able to expect the contractor to show up to work with the right tools to do the job.
This is actually a relevant distinction for the building trades. A contractor will have their own nail gun with a brand-specific feeding system, or might even choose to use an impact driver in certain circumstances. When a construction firm requires all its subcontractors to have a particular model of nail gun that would be an argument for them being employees.
> I would really like to see a system that was more like a real time Angie's list. In such when ride request came in drivers made bids, and requesters could pick from the bids. The bids might also have information about distance from pickup location (or expected pickup ETA, along with price). Maybe have a default setting to pick lowest bidder and shortest ETA. But other things like car styles or types could be part of the system too.
This was how a lot of people expected Internet commerce to work in the early 1990s - the research term for it was agents/multi-agent systems. The passenger would have their agent put out a call for bids for a ride from one location to another. The driver's agents would reply with bids and the passenger agent would take the lowest one. The driver's agent would base the bid on some function that could take into account things like distance, predicted driving time based on current traffic conditions, predicted mileage cost based on MPG estimates based on data from the car's OBDII sensor data, etc.
That would be a market system. Uber and Lyft are a duopoly from the point of view of passengers and monopsonies from the point of view of drivers.
Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares
#345Just because someone happens to work for Walmart/Uber/whoever, I don't see why it means that employer suddenly becomes responsible for meeting any particular set of needs that person might have. You would have been the "awful" kind of slaver back in the day.
Did you really just attack someone the way this comment sounds like you did? That's dismaying. If I've read it correctly, it's the kind of attack we ban accounts for, so please don't do that here. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13758241 and marked it off-topic.
I thought it was apt. The only problem is that I myself imply that there's a such thing as a "good" slaver, but to assert that an employer is justified by their existence and corporate strategy to reduce their employees to chum is comparably distasteful.
GP's point at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13757973, where they illustrate a few externalized costs, which also seem reasonable to criticize, received pushback that companies don't have to do nothin' for their employees but reap the profits, which is a bad position to take, IMO.
People use the term "un-American" too much these days, but the person I was responding to went way beyond that into anti-civilization.
There is no way that the person I was replying to could possibly be a slaver, so I wasn't attacking them personally. I was connecting their position to that of slavers who would just as soon let their slaves die in the fields from overwork, dehydration, or any number of other things that "shouldn't be the boss' responsibility."
Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of curiosity, what's his involvement with "monopolistic dumping scheme"? Looking through his Wikipedia (ok, not a fantastic reference source ;) ) entry, there doesn't seem to be any mention of involvement (employment/directorships/etc) with financial institutions. ?
Uber's business model is to create a monopoly on a variety of transportation services using VC cash to dump the market, drive out their competitors, and then jack up prices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy) Here's the info about their subprime lending: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/3/11852940/uber-subprime-auto...
Interesting, thanks. :)
Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares
#347This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but I actually thought the driver was exceedingly rude. He clearly took advantage of Kalanick being in the public eye, and thus a "target". Filming him without acknowledging it was totally immoral, it should reduce any fair person's bayesian priors as to the credibility of the driver. I'm no fan of Kalanick, but I thought he comported himself reasonably, taking the time to…
Every taxi I've taken in the last 5-6 years has built in cameras that film both the back seat and the passenger before pickup. There notices but I don't believe you can assume privacy from the driver when it's not a limo with the screen up or something similar.
There are legitimate reasons why this is done in a taxi: preventing people running away from payment, engaging in harassment or other bad behavior, or claiming you refused to pick them up for reason X when you had a good reason to not pick them up. From what I know of Uber, these reasons all apply to their drivers as well.
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#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
> punishment There's some balance between punishment and keeping the rider experience pleasant. I don't want to wait 10 minutes to get matched because of nearby lurking Uber Black cars passing on my Uber X request. If a driver ignores several requests in a row, they're clearly taking a break. It's a feature, not a punishment.
No, that's not clear. And if you don't like that you can't get a ride in time, switch to another network.
> switch to another network
My point exactly. That's neither in the interest of the driver nor the company.