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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by fencepost »

verelo wrote: post #26
chejazi wrote: post #9

The timing of this is interesting. A few days ago, the White House press sec claimed cannabis is a gateway to opioid use: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/2...

Reminds me of when Stephen Harper claimed Marijuana was worse than tobacco and the rather hilarious reaction by Canadians that followed his statement: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-pot-marijuana... From the comments "hey Steve...smoke a blunt or two and mellow out." is the kind of sentiment that I heard a lot of in Toronto.

From his standpoint pot is much worse than tobacco - pot doesn't have well-funded lobbyists, campaign contributors, etc.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by bdamm »

esalazar wrote: post #31
sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

I have been seeing a lot of press lately around GI issues and the benefits of fecal transplants. Maybe something to investigate in this case. http://pulse.seattlechildrens.org/study-suggests-fecal-trans...

It often is not helpful to give advice to people who are suffering from a chronic condition, if all you have to offer is some press you saw somewhere.

They are living it, most people who live it also research it.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by sergers »

jessep wrote: post #32
sergers wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea maybe I haven't had strong enough. I tried to treat a toothache and another time arm injury by vaping CBD oil at 25mg/ml. 5 ml later(tank capacity), it didn't do too much relief. I think if I had strong enough (500mg-1000mg CBD) I think it could potentially provide larger relief. I think my tolerance has been raised due to years of recreational use vs therapeutic/real medicine use

I know people say CBD is good for pain, but in my experience the high is actually part of what helps. I personally like good old OG Kush for pain.

My tolerance may be too high.

Smoking doesn't relieve pain for me, helps provide some relief via relaxation or just super high.(kush or straight indica).

Edibles I have to eat alot and time to kick in long, not too big fan of edibles.

indica, hybrid and sativa shatter/bidder)oil, live resin etc I never felt much pain relief (more to the head). A gram in a couple of hours I still didn't feel significant immediate pain relief

Vaporizers (got a volcano for 15 years), provides a nice body relief and head high depending on strains. More for relaxation.

CBD/mix as a Eliquids/juice in a ecig- I don't think I have had strong enough to fully comment.

Pills- I need to have atleast 400mg before I feel anything.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by Alex3917 »

jessep wrote: post #28

I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain. Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morn…

My understanding is that opioids also constrict the ureter and make it more difficult to pass the stone. Whereas since weed is an anti-inflammatory it may even have some benefits.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by sehugg »

meowface wrote: post #2

In many cases, though, cannabis and CBD oil aren't nearly as effective as opioids for relief from severe pain, right? How often is this a viable alternative for patients? This study only looked at 250 people who already have medical cannabis prescriptions for pain, so this shouldn't be extrapolated too heavily.

MS sufferers take it for muscle spasms and neuropathy. Opioids have problems like tolerance and stomach irritation that cannabis does not, and since MS is usually a lifelong affliction this can be bad over the long term.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by jessep »

Alex3917 wrote: post #45
jessep wrote: post #28

I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain. Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morn…

My understanding is that opioids also constrict the ureter and make it more difficult to pass the stone. Whereas since weed is an anti-inflammatory it may even have some benefits.

Yeah, they also give you tamsulosin, though, which relaxes expands the ureter, maybe that's part of the reason

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by pmoriarty »

Alex3917 wrote: post #45
jessep wrote: post #28

I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain. Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morn…

My understanding is that opioids also constrict the ureter and make it more difficult to pass the stone. Whereas since weed is an anti-inflammatory it may even have some benefits.

Opioids can also cause extreme constipation, which can also result in extreme agony when you're coming off of them. That's what happened to me when I was coming off morphine and oxycodone given me in the ER to treat kidney stone pain. It was hell, and that experience alone makes me seriously contemplate refusing all pain killing medication if I'm ever offered it again.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by pmoriarty »

fencepost wrote: post #41
verelo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of when Stephen Harper claimed Marijuana was worse than tobacco and the rather hilarious reaction by Canadians that followed his statement: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-pot-marijuana... From the comments "hey Steve...smoke a blunt or two and mellow out." is the kind of sentiment that I heard a lot of in Toronto.

From his standpoint pot is much worse than tobacco - pot doesn't have well-funded lobbyists, campaign contributors, etc.

I'm kind of surprised that the alcohol and tobacco industries don't lobby for legalization. They could potentially diversify in to marijuana manufacture and sale, and leverage their brands and experience in selling other recreational drugs. The pharmaceutical industry could similarly profit from manufacturing and selling medical marijuana.
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