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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by esalazar »

sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

I have been seeing a lot of press lately around GI issues and the benefits of fecal transplants. Maybe something to investigate in this case. http://pulse.seattlechildrens.org/study-suggests-fecal-trans...

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by jessep »

sergers wrote: post #23
nitemice wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to work done by the Johns Hopkins group, smoking or vaporising can provide pretty quick relief, whereas ingestion is good for chronic pain. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-abou...

Yea maybe I haven't had strong enough. I tried to treat a toothache and another time arm injury by vaping CBD oil at 25mg/ml. 5 ml later(tank capacity), it didn't do too much relief. I think if I had strong enough (500mg-1000mg CBD) I think it could potentially provide larger relief. I think my tolerance has been raised due to years of recreational use vs therapeutic/real medicine use

I know people say CBD is good for pain, but in my experience the high is actually part of what helps. I personally like good old OG Kush for pain.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by criddell »

randomdrake wrote: post #29

For folks looking for more information regarding published studies on the topic, we supply an index of over 800 cannabis studies organized by almost 170 conditions, and summarized with a weighted average by our contributing PhD: https://www.cannabisreports.com/cannabis-studies This includes a section for studies on cannabis and opioid addictions.

Maybe you can shed some light: there are lots of different kinds of pain, right? Is cannabis most effective for any particular type? Is it probably the wrong choice for any particular type?

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by jessep »

meowface wrote: post #2

In many cases, though, cannabis and CBD oil aren't nearly as effective as opioids for relief from severe pain, right? How often is this a viable alternative for patients? This study only looked at 250 people who already have medical cannabis prescriptions for pain, so this shouldn't be extrapolated too heavily.

I wrote my story as a root comment, but I get kidney stones, which are among the most intensely painful things humans experience. I have found getting really high more effective than opioids. I haven't yet used cannabis during the peak pain, because I haven't had kidney stones again since I first tried cannabis instead of opioids, but next time I'm going to.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by randomdrake »

criddell wrote: post #34
randomdrake wrote: post #29

For folks looking for more information regarding published studies on the topic, we supply an index of over 800 cannabis studies organized by almost 170 conditions, and summarized with a weighted average by our contributing PhD: https://www.cannabisreports.com/cannabis-studies This includes a section for studies on cannabis and opioid addictions.

Maybe you can shed some light: there are lots of different kinds of pain, right? Is cannabis most effective for any particular type? Is it probably the wrong choice for any particular type?

> there are lots of different kinds of pain, right?

Yes, we have 7 or 8 different types of categorical pains listed for this reason.

> Is cannabis most effective for any particular type?

To my knowledge, there is not a specific type of pain that cannabis has been shown to be "most effective" for. Cannabis acts on important receptors as an agonist or antagonist throughout our bodies.

> Is it probably the wrong choice for any particular type?

There is no evidence, that I'm aware of, that would indicate cannabis would exacerbate or otherwise extend pain for any type of treatment. On the contrary, we discovered our endocannabinoid system[1], which is a strong regulator of pain and discomfort signals, through research and treatment with cannabis.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by M_Grey »

jessep wrote: post #28

I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain. Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morn…

I have a friend who lost a bunch of weight (and was very overweight) in a relatively short period. He then developed gout, which is apparently agonizing. He did the same things as you, and like you, is "in awe". Just having seen the difference in him I'm prettied impressed too. I'm glad that you've found something that works for you.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by developer2 »

sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

Crohn's Disease is one of those things where, if you do not suffer from it personally, you have absolutely no business telling someone who does what they may or may not do to treat it - or rather its symptoms. I have a friend with Crohn's, and based on his reserved description (not far past PG-13) as to what he goes through on a daily basis, I would not DARE tell him that he cannot use marijuana, opioids, or anything else. I don't care what he needs to help him get through his day; he deserves quite literally anything that chemistry has to offer that he is willing to take. Nobody - absolutely nobody - has the right tell him differently.

People are ignorant and frankly downright... disgusting/pathetic/opinionated (I can't find the words to describe how far beyond unacceptable some people's positions are)... with their attempts to regulate others, when it comes to issues that do not affect them personally. If you don't have a clue, shut your mouth and let those who have to deal with the situation dictate for themselves how they will manage or cope.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by doctorcroc »

sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

You also incidentally hit upon the reason why it's been marginalized by industry for so long -- it represents a huge dent in profits. Whenever something seems awry, a good question to ask is, cui bono (who benefits)?

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by sergers »

deelowe wrote: post #6
meowface wrote: post #2

In many cases, though, cannabis and CBD oil aren't nearly as effective as opioids for relief from severe pain, right? How often is this a viable alternative for patients? This study only looked at 250 people who already have medical cannabis prescriptions for pain, so this shouldn't be extrapolated too heavily.

Treating chronic pain has less to do with pain relief and more to do with mental health. Sometimes people just want to forget or feel different for a while. Also, opiates suck!

I see it as more of a therapeutic effect that relieves the pain/symptoms till there not noticeable and doesn't limit you

Combine this with other therapy methods and you have rid yourself of pain, or at least rid yourself of the holds it has it over you.

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