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In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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post #19

To me this illustrates one of the biggest problems we have in america which is the crazy firewall between rich and poor. Kamel wanted to have a serious discussion with Kalanick about how his decisions as CEO were affecting Kamel's life and Kalanick gets upset about this. That's your job! At least it should be. If you can't even handle light criticism from the people you employ, you shouldn't be at the top.

This is driven by the argument that drivers are not employees. He has no vested interest in the drivers circumstances.

As far as he is concerned drivers are not humans.

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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To me this illustrates one of the biggest problems we have in america which is the crazy firewall between rich and poor. Kamel wanted to have a serious discussion with Kalanick about how his decisions as CEO were affecting Kamel's life and Kalanick gets upset about this. That's your job! At least it should be. If you can't even handle light criticism from the people you employ, you shouldn't be at the top.

> If you can't even handle light criticism from the people you employ, you shouldn't be at the top.

I ask this in all seriousness: what qualities make for a good leader assuming the ideals of capitalism? I understand many people here will say they would prefer to work for a moral leader who can handle criticism and adapt to make sure his employees are taken care of, but do those leaders perform better at growing companies quickly? I guess what I'm asking is for data - are assholes more likely to be successful CEOs? Or maybe they're better at the early stages when growing a company, or perhaps they're better at the later stages when a company needs to deal with regulations, or maybe they're always the worst. What data is there for this apart from anecdotes?

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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post #5

Unfortunately, that driver is about to find out what "two party consent" for recordings means.

I'm ... fare-ly ... certain certain this law does not apply to recordings for security purposes in a place of business; the vehicle being the place of business of the Uber driver.

EDIT: Er, scratch that. Didn't realize there was audio attached. I think audio might be the incriminating factor in the two party consent thing. I mostly just wanted to make a bad pun.

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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A bit of a tangential point: last week there was a post here about Facebook "changing the rules" and a significant number of small businesses disappearing as a result. Whether or not Uber's black car reimbursement really did change, it strikes me that drivers probably made business decisions (e.g. car purchases) based on Uber's initial reimbursement and are now seeing the rules change and grossing far fewer profits than expected (and prices still have a ways to go).

One can argue that these small business owners / contractors should have had the foresight not to do business on someone else's platform, but this strikes me as a bit Malthusian. Going through bankruptcy is no small price to pay for this lesson. Hopefully the next Facebook or Uber will have to promise some degree of stability (the same way I am very wary of working with SaaS startups), but I'm not optimistic - there's a fool born every minute.

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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How is this video not illegal, especially in California?

And sure rates went down, but it's still 3X the price of UberX. It didn't go down precipitously. From $4.90/1.25 to 3.75/0.65 won't cause someone to lose $97k and probably he got more activity overall. I agree with the CEO that this guy sounds like he's blaming Uber for his problems, when there are plenty of UberBlack drivers making hand over fist otherwise the drivers wouldn't be there. My wife's last UberX driver said he was making $3k/week.

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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This seems like a slam piece following the #DeleteUber bandwagon.

1). The title doesn't match the contents. Instead of reporting on the specifics of the fare changes, Newcomer rehashes the more prominent Uber scandals and some short commentary on TK's "short temper."

2). A very short paragraph (around 1/20th the article) breifly elaborates on the fares:

> And the gig has gotten harder for longtime drivers. In 2012, Uber Black cost riders $4.90 per mile and $1.25 per minute in San Francisco, according to an old version of Uber's website. Today, Uber charges $3.75 per mile and $0.65 per minute. Black car drivers get paid less and their business faces far more competition from other Uber services.

3). The video transcription selectively takes out parts and fudges others:

> "Kalanick begins to lose his temper."

> Omitting the civil conversation preceding "But people are not trusting you anymore"

The following is just my personal anecdote: I have an immigrant in my family who's just like the driver. He's not interested in "fighting over a good idea, which sometimes means admitting that his isn’t the best one," but looking to assert his ideas onto anyone who takes his argument-bait.

Additionally, it's plain rude to engage in this sort of thing with a stranger.

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

#27
post #9

How can a driver lose $97000? Not asking in support/opposition of uber. Genuinely curious about what are some ways drivers could get into so much trouble?

I'm guessing he multiplied his total miles driven by the old $20 rate mentioned and the current $2.75 rate and the difference is his 'loss'

Re: In Video, Uber CEO Argues with Driver Over Falling Fares

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1. Uber should really put up a policy against drivers using cockpit cameras to record passengers. Most of them do it without any consent. I usually give them 1 star if someone uses cockpit camera.

2. I have been a big Supporter of Travis Kalanick since last 2-3 years, just for the fact that he's willing to take harsh steps to win. This ultimately helps Uber. Uber's Drivers are not its employees, it doesn't want them to treat them like employees. As more drivers enter the market, supply starts increasing faster than demand and therefore prices must decrease. Since Driving is low barrier profession, its relatively easy to replace them and accumulate them with Uber's model. In this conversation Kalanick is seemingly busy with friends, therefore much less interested in discussing details of his decisions.

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