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Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomlock »

facepalm wrote: post #458
tomlock wrote: post #440

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>But it should be possible to take that [being a man] into account statistically. So why not take being an immigrant "into account statistically"? It seems like the anti-PC folk have some things they think we should be PC about and take into account (like being a man) while being an immigrant is fair game. It doesn't make any sense to blame crime on one demographic factor, and ignore the others. Its a matter of anti-…

By "take into account" I meant it should be possible to statistically distinguish the factors of being male and being male+immigrant. So that it can be seen if being male is really the only factor driving increase of crime. As for male criminal citizens, they should be sent to jail. In any case, as I mentioned before, they are already citizens, so the state has a special obligation towards them. The point is also not…

As the world feminist army sweeps the nation - the alt-right will form a guerilla force - middle-aged white men will rise up to fight - I can see it now.

It should be possible to statistically distinguish the factors of being poor and being poor+immigrant. Or education level+immigrant or degree choice+immigrant. Point is, focusing on immigrants demographically makes no sense when there are plenty of other demographic factors that are better indicators of criminality.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ue_ »

tomp wrote: post #143
ue_ wrote: post #98

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I personally agree with him, I can't see the problem.

To avoid misunderstanding, are you saying that it's acceptable to physically assault people because of their opinion, or do you "agree" with something else?

>To avoid misunderstanding, are you saying that it's acceptable to physically assault people because of their opinion

Of course it depends on the opinion, but I see nothing wrong with it in principle.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by SamBam »

Exofunctor wrote: post #430
kaveh_h wrote: post #413

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That you believe a majority are religious fundementalist is bias

Pew research does per-country religious belief surveys. I think you will find it very enlightening to look up the religious beliefs of the average Syrian.

And can you tell me what makes someone a refugee? Whether an average refugee is ideologically/culturally identical to the average non-refugee from that country? And how about a refugee who's choosing to go live in a country very different from their own?

Pointing us to "per-country religious belief surveys" is incredibly simplistic.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ptaipale »

In an interview published soon after this Swedish government press release, the head of Swedish ambulance workers' union says:

"I know it's sensitive and controversial ... But for us it's really a no go because we have directives not to go into dangerous situations."

The interview video has English subtitles:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/video-head-of-ambulance-union-...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tropo »

alkonaut wrote: post #445
tropo wrote: post #441

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It's not a success for Sweden. Unless the migrants cause Sweden to become safer and more prosperous, it is a failure. Swedish culture is also of value, but will be extinct within a generation or two. There is something demented about a country that puts the rest of the world first, destroying itself in a futile effort to save the world.

There is a difference between regugee and non-refugee immigration. Refugees will be somewhere and im the first to acknowledge that it would be great if more countries helped. Further, there is a difference between permanent and temporary asylum. I think giving temporary asylum to people fleeing war is the least any country can do. I just don't understand what the option would be? Send more aid to build larger miserab…

The obvious is that they could go to places with similar culture. Syrians could go to numerous nearby Muslim nations, particularly Iran. Camps are not needed; these countries can offer citizenship just as well as Sweden does.

The other option I suppose is what Israel does, meeting the minimum treaty obligation: Israel has a refugee camp. It turns out that many refugees are uninterested in going there. This suggests that they aren't really all that fearful.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tropo »

tomlock wrote: post #309
facepalm wrote: post #286

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That may be their theory, but where is the validation of the theory? What are the reasons to assume it will work out that way? --- Edit: reason for assuming it won't: there are many countries with a huge population that are nevertheless poor. So number of people alone doesn't seem to help against poverty. Also, there still seem to be poor native Swedish people, so apparently Sweden does not have a working formula for…

What are the reasons to assume it won't? Keep in mind that a lot of these first world countries have an aging population - so younger people being imported is good because it brings in more taxpayers versus pensioners. See this bloomberg article for some of the problems particularly immigrant-shy countries face: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-23/why-immig... The article itself also addresses some of…

Japan is and will remain Japanese. The same can not be said of Sweden.

I think I see a bias here: culture is valuable, unless it is western. In the future, it will not be possible to go visit Swedish culture.

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