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>If you're curious about it, your HR department probably has some training materials. There you go again, with the pointless grandstanding. It seems like you never had any intention of having a genuine discussion, since I can't find a single one of your comments that doesn't read as venomous and disingenuous. You're exactly the type of person that needs HR, and I mean that in a bad way really.
Not sure what you mean by grandstanding. You asked how harassment can be objectively observed. I explained that it's defined in the law. Did I misunderstand what you meant? BTW, I try to be polite, but ain't so easy when you're accusing and insulting me.
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." -John Dalberg-Acton. It saddens me how much I have seen that quote play out in my life...
It's honestly part of such a good quote, I feel compelled to post the rest. "I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men, with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption it is the other way against holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt…
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What would be the motivation behind creating a 'false' rhetoric such as the experiences of women in tech? I've certainly seen this happening / had to deal with it, I do feel that this is still an issue and something we need to improve. While it's not an across the board problem, I suspect most women working in tech would agree with me; the story, which I don't stand behind as as legitimate, is very similar to the sor…
I normally disagree with everything 'yummyfajitas posts, and I personally dislike Uber due to the number of well documented unethical actions they've taken. Additionally, I think this type of story has played out so many times that no one thinks the story is truly unbelievable. In light of all of that I still think this is the kind of story that needs to be verified before action is taken. Just off the top of my head…
As for the false news/polarisation thing... Am I the only one starting to panic just a teeny little bit?
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I hope they end up like Theranos.
I want them to change instead of ending up like Theranos. If Uber went down, a lot of good people would be out of a job (both employees and drivers) and it would burn a lot investors, thus negatively affecting the funding landscape for years to come. To reiterate, I wish Uber to change. I don't wish them to fail.
They brought a very Wall Street-esque aggressively cheat your way into becoming too big to fail, at any cost attitude into software. They were chummy with top-dollar lobbyists to get around pesky small-town regulations and unions. Some of those entrenched interests were bad, but even in defeating them, they weren't precisely taking from the rich and giving to the poor either.
The grass is always greener, but they do not resemble software heroes like Carmack or Stallman or (idiosyncratic pick) Newmark at all. When it comes to anti-authoritarianism and civil disobedience, I think Snowden not Kalanick. Even if you want a Randian libertarian, Jimmy Wales over Travis Kalanick.
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>"Great, retain a Chicago politician so you know you'll get the answer you're paying for." Normally I don't care, but because I'm from Chicago and am officially very touchy about all the abuse the city catches, I'd like to correct the record as Eric Holder is from New York.
and has never run for elected office.
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Exactly. It's not an independent investigation if you hire the investigators.
Who else could hire the investigators? It's a tricky problem, but ultimately you rely on the investigators caring more about their reputation than any one contract. If it gets out that firm X doesn't do objective reviews, then future companies in hot water won't hire them. The real challenge here is that these investigators are not independent. Eric Holder has done prior work on behalf of Uber, which means he could r…
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#517I'm really happy she felt comfortable doing this. What an incredibly brave and strong person—I can't imagine what she must be feeling. What I really want to see is the other 20 men on her team tell their bosses to cut that shit out. We cannot rely on the abused to stand up for themselves; for every one who does there are thousands who cannot. It is on every one of us to report abhorrent behaviour, even if we think so…
> What I really want to see is the other 20 men on her team tell their bosses to cut that shit out. It sounds like the abuse is pretty universal, from the article: "It was normal for guys to refer to other guys as fags when they didn't participate in private parties where sex and drugs were involved." The 20 other men on her team were probably as concerned with keeping their job and not being abused. The big differen…
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#518Speaking unsarcasticly, the women who are starting to come out and reveal this are very brave.
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What you think about "not all men" seems to dependent on whether you believe that the concept of original sin is immoral or not. I don't think I should feel shame because someone I had no control over, which incidentally had the same gender/skin color/nationality/ethnicity as me, did something wrong.
I thought his mention of Holy Grail was more in line with the definition "a thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after." [1] I don't think his eschatology was at all a part of his argument.
I meant that how you feel about being told you should feel shameful about being a male due to how other men sometimes act probably depends on how you react to being told that you're a sinful person who needs to redeem yourself because someone else ate an apple they weren't supposed to eat.
The "you" in my post weren't directed at him either, it was just a generic you. Damn, English is hard.
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Never seen anything like this in NYC
Nor in Boston or the Los Angeles / Orange County area. I'm willing to believe it though. Far, far too many stories. I've also definitely seen it online in spades.
If you're a man (or white, etc) then it makes sense that you don't see this firsthand. It doesn't happen to you. Not all workplace harassment is as egregious or public as the harassment in this article. I absolutely don't believe that this problem mainly affects the US.