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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Why aren't any of these shitbags getting named? This type of thing should ruin the guy's career. Fair or not I'm just going to assume Travis and anyone working for him is just like this disgusting mike#2 fellow.

This is why: https://twitter.com/susanthesquark/status/835193441814392833

Even assuming no malice, a rational economic actor faced with a career-ending allegation of bad behavior is interested in discrediting the accusation via all possible means, including discrediting, shaming, or embarrassing the accuser to force a retraction.

And once you're assuming malice, they're especially interested in it.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Why would someone write an anonymous blog post but then declare that they are: 1) A woman in her late 20s 2) Who used to work at Uber in Engineering working on database and networking scalability 3) Went to a top private college 4) has a Masters in Information Systems 5) previous to Uber worked as a Data Analyst in a tech company in the Midwest and left when it was acquired by a Chinese firm 6) Is 5 foot 7 Caucasian…

Did a search of all current/past Uber employees based on public data mainly from LI, found only 6 people with those degrees and none were female. Did another search for people who worked as Data Analyst and worked at Uber came up with 6 different people again all male. As other answers suggest the information could be twisted, but definitely not "slightly".

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Re: I am an Uber survivor

#194
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> H/R ACTS AND WILL ALWAYS ACT IN THE COMPANY'S BEST INTERESTS. NOT YOURS. You're right, and here's the thing. It seems both women who've come forward would have open-and-shut cases against Uber for multi-millions in damages. It's surprising to me that neither have pursued Uber in this regard. Similarly, it's surprising to me that Uber HR hasn't done the mental calculus to figure out that these women have a solid cas…

> It's surprising to me that neither have pursued Uber in this regard. Reasons to pursue sexual harassment litigation: * You may make some money. Reasons to not pursue sexual harassment litigation: * You will have to devote an enormous amount of money, time, energy, health, and your emotional well-being. * Your lawyers will take half the settlement, either in up front fees, or as a portion of the bounty. * You will g…

IANAL. You are absolutely right in all regards about this (with the exception of your last point which is FUD). However, there is one interesting option which may negate some of these issues. That option would be a Class Action. If enough women and minorities came forward with verifiable claims of systemic discrimination they could band together and reduce the amount of over all problems with the law suit by having increased numbers. Technically, there is no minimum number of plaintiffs to designate a Class Action. But for all practical purposes you need greater than 20. From the fact that #ubersurvivor is turning into a thing, I believe finding the right number of people would be possible. Here is how a class action would change your reasons not to pursue sexual harassment litigation:

* You will have to devote an enormous amount of money, time, energy, health, and your emotional well-being. -- You would not have to pay an enormous amount for this. Though it would take a lot of time you are right

* Your lawyers will take half the settlement, either in up front fees, or as a portion of the bounty. -- This is almost always true but cases cost a whole lot to run and manage.

* You will get to share, and then be brutally cross-examined about all the worst bullshit you had to endure in a courtroom. -- With a class action you have far more people to fight on your side, making cross X a lot less scary, if it ever gets to the trial stage.

* With so much money on the line, you will trigger a smear campaign against you, whose impact will persist long after the trial concludes. -- It is much harder to smear a group.

* You want to program, instead of dealing with legal bullshit. -- You want to program in peace for the rest of your life. A class action sends a message to all companies that they cannot act like this.

* You just want this nightmare to be over, instead of it being brought up over, and over again. -- True and a class action will help to end the nightmare.

* You don't want to have your name permanently associated with "Sues your employers for millions of dollars". Good luck getting a job after that. -- As a class action member you are less likely to be singled out

* If for whatever reason you lose, you will get to enjoy all the damage to your reputation, all the trauma and indignities that you had to re-live, the black mark on your employment record (Who would hire a liar who sues her employers?), and you'll probably be counter-sued by Uber. I hope you're independently wealthy. --This is FUD. Nevertheless, by being associated with a class action you are far less likely to be singled out for issues. It's even quite hard for them to counter-sue in a class action.

While the legal option is hard and can be scary, it is not a bad option to pursue.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The genius of labeling it "human resources" just struck me. As an employee (and human) it seems reasonable to interpret it as "resources for humans" and thus assume it would be there to help. But its true meaning, to execs/stakeholders/corporate persons, is "[the department which manages the] human resources".

There's an sf novel featuring a futuristic form of slavery, with a character who's introduced as a Director of Human Resources: only much later do you find out what that means. Subtly done. (Your first meaning never occurred to me.)

what's the novel?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

#196
post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you a female engineer at Uber? I would think that would be a reasonable baseline for criticizing the credibility of this story.

Your assertion is that only female engineers at Uber are qualified to have an opinion on anonymous claims? At the very least, your perspective is sexist.

Sorry, try again. We're talking about a company being criticized (in part) for the treatment of female engineers. You're making assertions that this article isn't believable. The author is a female.

Pretty big stretch to say I'm being sexist by suggesting you have _no clue_ what is or isn't a believable experience for a female engineer at Uber.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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>Travis is well known to protect high performing team leaders no matter how abusive they are towards their employees. The HR team was known to be deftly[sic] afraid of Travis’s tendency to blame and ridicule the women and yell at HR whenever they went in with complaints of abuse. I heard about Travis personally congratulating Mike#2 for meeting strict deadlines months after I complained to HR about my abuse. This is…

Exactly. It's not an independent investigation if you hire the investigators.

Independent only means independent of the company's staff. Whether objective or partial to the company is a different story.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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This is one of the most heavily flagged submissions I've seen in a while - hit #2 with 70 points, and now is at #6 with 174 points in 40 min, while the new #2 is 124 points in 2 hours.

I'm one of the flaggers. This is an entirely anonymous complaint with no particular reason why anyone would believe it. A lot of it read to me as too perfect. Too designed to hit all of the right buttons to generate outrage. I won't deny that it could be true. But I'd also give that possibility under even odds. And if stories like this are true, then we'll likely have enough opportunity to learn that later to give th…

Agreed. Way too much vitriol and the details are too perfect to be believable. I'm flagging as well.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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post #69
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This is one of the most heavily flagged submissions I've seen in a while - hit #2 with 70 points, and now is at #6 with 174 points in 40 min, while the new #2 is 124 points in 2 hours.

I'm one of the flaggers. This is an entirely anonymous complaint with no particular reason why anyone would believe it. A lot of it read to me as too perfect. Too designed to hit all of the right buttons to generate outrage. I won't deny that it could be true. But I'd also give that possibility under even odds. And if stories like this are true, then we'll likely have enough opportunity to learn that later to give th…

I don't think that's an appropriate use of flag:

> Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think a story is spam or off-topic, flag it by clicking on its 'flag' link. If you think a comment is egregious, click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click 'flag' at the top.

The story is not spam, not off-topic, and has a good chance of being non-egregious. It's certainly true it could be wrong, but that's very different.

(Maybe I'm wrong about appropriate use of flagging? I'd concede that it's fair for you to downvote it, but I suspect HN has disabled downvotes on stories for a reason, and using flagging as a pseudo-downvote seems wrong.)

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