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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by grzm »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #37
grzm wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your parent may be referring to the events described that happened prior to 2017.

sigh just trying to lighten the mood with a joke. -2 for that. Thanks HN. He did use the present tense :-P serious comment: I think it's great these stories are getting out. Now women know what they will face at Uber. And perhaps someone will have the strength to sue them for discrimination.

Yeah, this can be a pretty serious crowd (which I actually think is a strength of HN, as humor can be so easily misinterpreted on Internet forums).

You've likely noticed how contentious and combative this topic has been in particular. A lot of people seem to be looking for any excuse to undercut another's comments. While that wasn't your intent, the lack of good faith that some people grant others can lead to unfortunate behavior. That's why I commented, by the way: to point out you may be misunderstanding your parent, not assuming you were acting in bad faith.

Anyway, I hope you have a better day :) Be well.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by ogezi »

Although this post is anonymous, Given what has come out recently about Uber, I'm strongly inclined to believe what she wrote. If Uber gets into any more trouble then the board and investors will have to do something because the bad press would be directly hurting their business.

"Visibly angry, Mike#2 covered the microphone of the conference phone, he reached over to hold my hand tightly and told me to stop being a whiny little bitch."

I can't imagine that because someone performs well at their jobs they'd be entitled to treat another person in such a demeaning manner.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by pasbesoin »

joezydeco wrote: post #28

"In essence, the HR department blackmailed me that if I make noise, I’d be fired. I was distraught by the HR department’s response especially considering that most of the HR folks I dealt with were women." Say it over and over, say it loud, and say it to every single person entering the US workforce from day one: H/R ACTS AND WILL ALWAYS ACT IN THE COMPANY'S BEST INTERESTS. NOT YOURS. Amy's situation was grave, and k…

I'll add that a significant portion of people I've encountered who have careers in HR are not particularly empathic nor "people persons".

That is, don't interact with them expecting to be "understood" as a person.

You may not just get a "no, we can't do that". You may well also get an unmentioned strike against you, for even raising the point or concern.

There are some good people in HR. Although, upon reflection, I realize that those I've met tended to have moved on or exited HR.

Anyway, my point is, don't just expect "in the employer's interest", be also aware of and prepared for a lack of basic human connection.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by jellicle »

mjolk wrote: post #73
tatterdemalion wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should put your reputation on the line when you make such vile comments. Your profile says you're the "technical founder on a bootstrapping startup," I want to make sure I never use your product, do business with your company, or take calls from your recruiters.

Please tell me what is "vile" about saying "I believe Susan, but this blogpost strains credibility. If the author is being honest, I hope she speaks to an attorney".

So what company do you work for?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by jordigh »

> tried to trigger me

Man, I really wish the internet hadn't decided that "trigger" means to anger or upset someone instead of the original meaning: provoke an anxiety or panic attack, like lighting firecrackers around war veterans.

Not that what Uber is doing here to "Amy" isn't despicable. I'm just a little bothered by this relatively frivolous usage of the word "trigger" compared to the original purpose for using it: to highlight the experiences of those suffering from PTSD. PTSD can come in many forms, not just from wartime trauma. That's what "triggering" someone was about.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by CodeSheikh »

A very sad read. Uber is in deep ethical trouble recently. Postpone that IPO plan guys.

Would not it be better if HR of your company can be managed by some third party with 100% transparency?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by TillE »

vkou wrote: post #83
nappy-doo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> H/R ACTS AND WILL ALWAYS ACT IN THE COMPANY'S BEST INTERESTS. NOT YOURS. You're right, and here's the thing. It seems both women who've come forward would have open-and-shut cases against Uber for multi-millions in damages. It's surprising to me that neither have pursued Uber in this regard. Similarly, it's surprising to me that Uber HR hasn't done the mental calculus to figure out that these women have a solid cas…

> It's surprising to me that neither have pursued Uber in this regard. Reasons to pursue sexual harassment litigation: * You may make some money. Reasons to not pursue sexual harassment litigation: * You will have to devote an enormous amount of money, time, energy, health, and your emotional well-being. * Your lawyers will take half the settlement, either in up front fees, or as a portion of the bounty. * You will g…

I completely agree with all this, I just think it's frustrating for a lot of people when you see a terrible situation that's supposed to have judicial remedies, but in practice that system just doesn't work.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by Jemmeh »

31reasons wrote: post #70

It is very strange to me when I read these "Survivor" stories. I really can't relate to them not because I am a male and don't work in Silicon Valley but because I know I can and I have quit companies because I couldn't tolerate to work there. There is not fucking reason to keep suffering at a company for whatever reason. QUIT as soon as you feel unhappy let alone you come to a point where they "break" you. Are you k…

Uber is huge, it's recognizable, it's got interesting problems. Susan Fowler even wrote a bestselling book related to some of her work there. You get to work with a lot of smart people. That's a lot of motivation to try to stay despite bad things happening. It's easy to say in hindsight how bad it was, but I'd say most people want to try to do a good job and will expect some problems that they will just "have to deal with" with any work environment. But in the end, they realized the bad outweighed the good and they -did- quit.
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