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Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by Arnt »

coldtea wrote: post #88
Arnt wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen. They happened, can't tell how often, but he didn't want or intend that. I didn't have the impression that Dubya wanted to harass random foreigners either. Trump, OTOH, is the kind of person who wants to throw out all the Yemeni in case one of them is another Timothy McVeigh.

> Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen. If he "didn't want them to happen" it would have been trivial to stop them. Would not even need a new law, a presidential speech would be enough.

An example would be a great way to support that assertion.

When I applied for... it doesn't matter precisely what. I've forgotten, actually, but it was some piece of paper that foreigners need, and only foreigners. Anyway, when I applied for that I chanced upon an official who didn't have much sympathy for foreigners. I got my paper in the end, but it wasn't because of his helpfulness.

Can you describe, as an example to support your assertion, what should have been in the speech to make that official speak a understandably to foreigners? Slur a little less, swallow fewer consonants?

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

clubm8 wrote: post #115
timeu wrote: post #104

Something along these lines (although by far not that bad) happened to me when I traveled to NYC for vacation of New Years Eve 2016/2017(this was before Trump took office). At the border control I was asked to follow the officer and wait in a room. I was waiting with a couple of other people but most people there were only waiting because of small formalities with their passports and they could leave after a couple o…

It may have been random. I'm pretty sure they pick a small # of people to do these do regardless of what intelligence says.

I'm not so sure. seems to be human bias on top of data bias. great for context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdCJYsKlX_Y

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by dboreham »

DanBC wrote: post #120
dboreham wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think. The culture in the US just seems to tolerate too much of this "Show me your papers!" attitude imho. Source: I grew up in the UK where you (still) don't need to carry a drivers license. Meanwhile in the USA where I'm now a citizen I get a cold sweat if I forget my wallet when I take a 10 minute drive to buy some milk in case I'm pulled over by the cops..

> I grew up in the UK where you (still) don't need to carry a drivers license. There's a convenient arrangement, but strictly speaking you commit an offence if you don't, when asked, give your driving licence. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/VII/crosshe... This is an important difference between US and UK. We have bad laws and they're not often used. The US has bad laws and they're used all the time.

For clarity, what you say is not true (see section 164(7) in the reference cited above). You only have to produce your license upon request within 7 days at a police station. Nothing bad can happen to you (e.g. you can't be detained) for driving without your license on your person.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by csydas »

PeterisP wrote: post #79
csydas wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the basic scope of the author's intent, stop advertising fool-proof solutions to avoid vetting checked by the CBP, but their praxis comments require a bit more sourcing and evidence for some of the claims, and quite frankly, most just sound like scaremongering. The CBP actions and incidents as described by first hand accounts do not seem to define an institutional directive guiding the decisions as to wh…

The agents must be looking for reasons to deny entry rather than reasons to admit, since that's what the law (e.g. [1]) has always required them to do. If you come in with a tourist visa, the explicit legal presumption (opposite to presumption of innocence in criminal law) is that you're not fulfilling the conditions of the visa and actually intend to immigrate or work in USA, and the job given to the immigration off…

I think there is a slight misunderstanding in the turn of phrase used by the lawyer and repeated by me. I understand what you're referring to, but the idea of "looking for a reason to deny" is more meant they're going beyond their stated and written duty and creating reasons to deny entry after establishing they have a valid permit for entry with no other reason. It's not that they are just doing their job, it seems some agents are inventing problems or refusing to accept some conditions as OK once properly vetted. It's the idea behind looking for a problem, trying to provoke an issue

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by NoirDesir »

cr1895 wrote: post #117
NoirDesir wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK is not Europe.

Yes, it most definitely is part of Europe, and it is currently still part of the European Union too.

Member of the European Union, not member of the Schengen Area... UK has always been whimsical and not reflecting the "European" values... thus, UK is not Europe.

They're free to run things the way they like, but please don't keep telling that UK is Europe... especially after they chose and got the Brexit... not a single true european will endorse its mistakes.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by merraksh »

robk wrote: post #68

UPDATE: "It turned out this whole story has nothing to do with Egypt or Holocaust. Historian claimed that he would give a speech for money. Incompetent CBP officer incorrectly concluded that its a work without a proper work visa."

"N'étant pas en possession d'un document fédéral m'autorisant à travailler aux États-Unis, je suis en infraction. La décision sera confirmée plus tard par son supérieur hiérarchique – que je n'aurai pas la possibilité de rencontrer."

It seems the decision by the officer was actually upheld by his/her direct superior (referring to the original. Translation: "Not being in possession of a federal document authorizing me to work in the United States, I am in violation. The decision will be confirmed later by his superior - that I will not have the opportunity to meet.").

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by badminton1 »

You can assist conferences with a B1 visa.

"Traveling for a scientific, educational, professional or business convention, or a conference on specific dates" is an intended use case of the visa type. (https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-visito...)

However, you cannot get paid for it. In addition the conference must not be about recruiting.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by jcranmer »

clebio wrote: post #119
Rexxar wrote: post #48

For french speakers, here is the direct link : http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/henry-rousso/muslim-ban-donald-...

I'm curious how good the translation is. I could read the translated article (the English version), but there were clearly some weird words. Is there anything off in the translation at a higher level?

I read the French version and only skimmed the English version. Didn't seem anything terribly off to me.
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