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> The European Union has apparently argued that the cut-off date should be the same date as the day the UK actually leaves the EU.
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They're not sounding particularly muddled or mean-spirited to me..
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It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.
Define "rush". There perhaps might be a small uptick in people who were considering it, had plans in place and would now accelerate those plans, but are we so arrogant as a nation that we think EU citizens who have had the option to come here for years would now think, as we're about to say "f k you" to our closest neighbours and embark on years of uncertainty, will suddenly uproot their lives to come here? I have fr…
Like there was only going to be a trickle of immigration from the Eastern European countries when they joined the EU.
Don't get me wrong, I was staunchly in favour of remaining and see immigration from Europe as largely positive but we have to be more honest about it.
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Well, except if you happen to take a flight out and come back after 15th of March. Because then presumably you'll be 'arriving after the cut-off date'. And secondly, do you really believe the uk government capable of distinguishing between people who have arrived before or after a date? They don't have a record of travel for everyone in the country. Are you going to be keeping bills in your name from before 15th of m…
> They don't have a record of travel for everyone in the country. All passports leaving the UK by official ports have been scanned by the UK Border Force for several years; at least five, from memory, and probably prior to their inception too. They won't have a record if you departed in the dead of night from a small harbour using a yacht, but otherwise the database is fairly comprehensive. Even departures to outide…
More likely everyone will have to prove their right to residence, and the border database will not be available to us.
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Bulgarians have had all this time (10 years) to go live in the UK legally. Why would they suddenly rush to leave everything behind and go live there illegally? It doesn't make any sense.
Is this just straight up racism? What is special about these two specific countries that doesn't apply to any of the other ones in the EU?
Their citizens are perceived to be the least desirable EU citizens to have as immigrants.
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Based on what exactly? If you have sources to cite there are many interested people. So far we've a general feeling of "people have been moving between these two countries freely since decades before the EU existed so they couldn't stop that... could they?" - could they? Then again, isn't the EU supposed to bargain as a block? Any firm comment on this by a party in a position to influence policy would be received wit…
Ireland is a special case; the Ireland Act 1949 provides that "Ireland is not a foreign country", and the Good Friday Agreement requires an open border between Eire and NI. Like everything else, this is now subject to uncertainty. http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citize... (The possibility of NI rejoining Éire has now moved from "unthinkable" to "maybe". If a border gets imposed as part of Brexit…
Is there a government resource supporting these statistics: > 3.6 million EU citizens who are already in Britain > 1.2 million British citizens living in other EU countries I like the Economist in this regard, they seem to always reference source data. It could be explained by the differences in editorial policies or the fact that the Economist is on a weekly release schedule, so their fact-checkers have more time to…
It will pose a massive problem for old Brits in Spain when their right to claim healthcare via the Spanish system as facilitated by the EU will cause some of them to move back to the UK and this will compounded by placing an increasing strain on NHS which has come under cuts.
The EU citizens in the UK by contrast are typically young, educated working professionals and will be an economic boon for the EU to take some back.
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Bulgarians have had all this time (10 years) to go live in the UK legally. Why would they suddenly rush to leave everything behind and go live there illegally? It doesn't make any sense.
You are absolutly right, and few days ago there a proof for your theory - more people are leaving now UK than comming to leave here
OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...
Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.
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...and it's also fairly easy to forsee that this rush will not happen, if, during the negotiations, the economy in britain goes further down. But we will only know for sure in two years. Anyway, I would have expected that there was a bigger rush up until the Brexit vote, when the British economy was very good and moving there seemed to be a safe bet (because it was in the EU and you could stay indefinitely).
The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up. Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).
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Only if you don't understand the system. Merely arriving makes no difference; it's the application for permanent residence that's important.
We don't know that yet.