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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by wastedhours »

alexbilbie wrote: post #67
struppi wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and it's also fairly easy to forsee that this rush will not happen, if, during the negotiations, the economy in britain goes further down. But we will only know for sure in two years. Anyway, I would have expected that there was a bigger rush up until the Brexit vote, when the British economy was very good and moving there seemed to be a safe bet (because it was in the EU and you could stay indefinitely).

The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up. Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).

Perhaps the government-scale numbers and stock markets haven't been hit as much, but I know my wallet is being pinched more: food, travel, technology, heck, even apps. "The economy" is one thing, money in the pocket is quite another.

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Post by DanBC »

rodionos wrote: post #34

Is there a government resource supporting these statistics: > 3.6 million EU citizens who are already in Britain > 1.2 million British citizens living in other EU countries I like the Economist in this regard, they seem to always reference source data. It could be explained by the differences in editorial policies or the fact that the Economist is on a weekly release schedule, so their fact-checkers have more time to…

It's a bit complicated, but:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati...

> 3.2 million of the non-UK born residents were born in the EU (16% of whom held British nationality, 83% held EU nationality and 1% held non-EU nationality).

> 5.4 million of the non-UK born residents were born outside of the EU (54% of whom held British nationality, 5% held EU nationality and 41% held non-EU nationality) – a reflection that EU nationals have the freedom of movement between EU countries, whereas for non-EU nationals there is an incentive to acquire British nationality.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati...

> Around 900,000 UK citizens are long-term residents of other EU countries; the largest age group is aged 30 to 49 years.

I'm not sure where Independent is getting their numbers.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by OJFord »

burkaman wrote: post #10
alecco wrote: post #6

It's sad how even the Independent is now taken by misleading headlines. They are considering stopping it 'after a “cut-off date”'' to prevent abuse of people from poor eastern Europe countries to flood UK before it leaves the EU. Right there in the first couple of paragraphs. I used to have a lot of respect for the BBC, Financial Times, and The Independent. Even The Guardian being partisan had the basic decency of pu…

What are you talking about? What is misleading about this headline? It doesn't contain literally every detail, because yes you are supposed to actually read the article. As you mentioned, the important details are right there in the first couple paragraphs, not missing or buried near the end. How would you have phrased this headline?

> What are you talking about? What is misleading about this headline? ... How would you have phrased this headline?

I would have gone with:

   Theresa May to end EU citizens' rights to move to the UK
thereby removing the potential to construe it as an action against those already here.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by dagw »

pavlov wrote: post #56
zoner wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. We just bought a house last year, these headlines are making my heart skip a beat :) Will I be kicked out but still need to pay the mortgage? Nonesense these false news portals these days are. However, I believe putting a control on immigration is the right thing to do.

So you're a EU citizen living in Britain, and now that you're in, you want the borders to be closed?

Immigration is great when I'm doing it.

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Post by dingaling »

Anderkent wrote: post #48
nothrabannosir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

Well, except if you happen to take a flight out and come back after 15th of March. Because then presumably you'll be 'arriving after the cut-off date'. And secondly, do you really believe the uk government capable of distinguishing between people who have arrived before or after a date? They don't have a record of travel for everyone in the country. Are you going to be keeping bills in your name from before 15th of m…

> They don't have a record of travel for everyone in the country.

All passports leaving the UK by official ports have been scanned by the UK Border Force for several years; at least five, from memory, and probably prior to their inception too.

They won't have a record if you departed in the dead of night from a small harbour using a yacht, but otherwise the database is fairly comprehensive. Even departures to outide the UK from my local flying-club airfield have UKBF in attendance ( I presume they charge for the 'service' ).

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Post by cyborgx7 »

alecco wrote: post #6

It's sad how even the Independent is now taken by misleading headlines. They are considering stopping it 'after a “cut-off date”'' to prevent abuse of people from poor eastern Europe countries to flood UK before it leaves the EU. Right there in the first couple of paragraphs. I used to have a lot of respect for the BBC, Financial Times, and The Independent. Even The Guardian being partisan had the basic decency of pu…

It doesn't pay to have an informative headline because revenue is based on the amount of people who open your webpage, not the amount of people who get informed by you. This is another bit of damage done by the disgusting ad industry.

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Post by bengale »

alexbilbie wrote: post #67
struppi wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and it's also fairly easy to forsee that this rush will not happen, if, during the negotiations, the economy in britain goes further down. But we will only know for sure in two years. Anyway, I would have expected that there was a bigger rush up until the Brexit vote, when the British economy was very good and moving there seemed to be a safe bet (because it was in the EU and you could stay indefinitely).

The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up. Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).

This is just tabloid regurgitation. The situation is much more fluid and nuanced, no-one is sure of what's going to happen going forward.

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Post by EasyTiger_ »

pavlov wrote: post #72
EasyTiger_ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The massive anti-Brexit, anti-Trump astroturfing campaign which has ruined reddit wants to come here, too.

Both sides of this debate are equally guilty of accusing the others of astroturfing. To liberals, any pro-Trump poster must be a Russian operating out of a St. Petersburg fake news factory. To conservatives, any anti-Trump poster must be a paid protester on the payroll of George Soros. I feel it would make sense for HN to have a full ban on any accusations of astroturfing or paid trolling.

And yet you don't see any blatant pro-Brexit or pro-Trump stories here

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by _benedict »

Anderkent wrote: post #48
nothrabannosir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

Well, except if you happen to take a flight out and come back after 15th of March. Because then presumably you'll be 'arriving after the cut-off date'. And secondly, do you really believe the uk government capable of distinguishing between people who have arrived before or after a date? They don't have a record of travel for everyone in the country. Are you going to be keeping bills in your name from before 15th of m…

If you're 'resident' during the time you're absent the country, there's no way this cut-off will apply to you. While they haven't formulated it yet, it's pretty clear this applies to people who try to become residents after the cut-off date, not people who happen to land in the country afterwards.

Politics may be a bit screwy right now, but it's not insane, at least not yet in the UK, as much as people like to hyperbolise.

If you're currently living here, going abroad for a few weeks will be vanishingly unlikely to suddenly define you as no longer live here.

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