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Annotation is now a web standard
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#122The hypothesis team gives for their product only dev install instructions, there is only an old docker recipe, the offline install seemed to go through their website for authentication and when I asked on their IRC for proper installation instructions they said its on theirr TODO (last year).
I think that proper installation instructions,perhaps with docker compose, are more important than blog posts about annotation importance.
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#123double edged swords, could be good for trolls and also good to fight trolls (if moderators use it)
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should the author have the privelage of moderating their comments? They could shave off all the comments that threaten the authors argument. Suddenly its become a single sided debate.
It's a complex subject, isn't it? I can see that possibly be an issue, and some might abuse it, just as others may use annotations in an abusive fashion as well. I can sympathize with sites wanting to some level of moderation, at least to remove abuse. How one does that is a challenge.
As said in others answers, there will be multiple annotations sources so each one will have it's own moderation to do and users will have the choice to subscribe to any or all of them.
Therefore the moderation will not have anything to do with the content owner. It's comparable to reddit or HN : would you complain that content owner have no control over discussion about their content on those sites ?
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that It's going to improve the transparency and correctness of ideas. Every website will be like some sort of Reddit but more transparent because the publisher will not be able to censorship you. Also, cross identity. People will start having 1 public profile for every website. I can be Demi on hacker news, Reddit, Youtube, etc.
Thaat would be a really wonderful thing. Although im not as much a fan as 1 profile universally.
It can be a good thing. Imagine Donald Trump saying that Obama wasn't born in USA. Obama or anyone could create an annotation with a witty response on that particular sentence or video time frame and a link to the PDF with his birth certificate. Trump could also defend himself inside the "fake news" by commenting directly and exposing the malicious attempt of manipulation.
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#126Is anyone using these? The blog post is put out by a company I've never heard of, and the credits listed on it include nobody who works on a browser, no major websites, and no comment-widget company. Historically, web standards where a committee gets together and decides how a feature is going to look without the buy-in of users or browser vendors have a very poor track record of adoption. The way actually-successful…
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#127This sounds like a great way to reduce spam and trolling. It would give you the choice to see discussion by friends_and_family group, your professional_colleagues group, your casual_social_friends group or whatever instead of by the random_youtube_comment_trolls group. A possible downside would be that the filter bubble and confirmation bias would be web-wide if a user only selects groups that they agree with (as man…
It'd be good for there to be a way for each site to suggest recommended annotation services.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd say not having a central annotation service that everybody uses, but being able to pick and choose (RSS-feed like?) is quite an important part of it, if you don't want total overload.
There's a network effect. You have to be on the same annotation service as the people whose annotations you want to see. This leads to centralization.
I think it's more akin to clustering. There might be an HN annotation service that lawers would rarely use and vice versa.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
It just decouples commenting communities from publishers of the content being commented on, it doesn't change (increase or decrease) the work required or tools available for moderation. In effect, it just provides a standard structure for consumer-driven discovery of what already happens in off-site discussions that already happen (e.g., via sharing and dicussing the source on social media.)
It increases the discoverability significantly. The negative information or spam that's not on your site is suddenly...on your site. It's like making it mandatory for restaurants to have a live updating Yelp! review display scrolling at the front door. (assuming I understand the proposal correctly...I didn't see much control there for website owners)
I think it's more like customers always being able to display Yelp reviews for the restaurant they're currently standing in front of on their phones or AR glasses or whatever.
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#130Man, normally I hate it when people on HN talk about an article's layout or font kerning rather than its content.
However, this thing is just completely illegible without reading glasses and 150% zoom... and it's still uncomfortable even then.
I would be surprised if this company has anyone age 40 or up who actually looks at their own website on a regular basis.