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Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by TOMDM »

soheil wrote: post #84

A lot of startups/websites exist solely and sometimes to a large extend because there is no standard annotation capability on the web, e.g. Stumbleupon, Reddit, Hackernews! (Medium highlights), comment sections on any page (even NY Times articles!) Sites not having direct control over which comments should stay and surface to the top and which ones should go is going to be huge. In my opinion this will open up the we…

I would argue that the value provided by hackernews and reddit (and possibly stumbleupon? I'm not familiar with it) are content discovery AND comments, a huge value provided by both sites is in the comments, but being able to annotate web pages alone doesn't cover the dicoverability provided by the sites.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by soheil »

skybrian wrote: post #89
soheil wrote: post #84

A lot of startups/websites exist solely and sometimes to a large extend because there is no standard annotation capability on the web, e.g. Stumbleupon, Reddit, Hackernews! (Medium highlights), comment sections on any page (even NY Times articles!) Sites not having direct control over which comments should stay and surface to the top and which ones should go is going to be huge. In my opinion this will open up the we…

Or maybe 4chan will have fun with it for a while, and then everyone else will decide it's a cesspit and turn it off? I don't see anything in the proposal about how comments get moderated. In the meantime, we can keep using Hacker News.

Maybe moderation should be outsourced, e.g, AdBlock lists are crowdsourced, but there are different lists you can subscribe to. Wikipedia, Reddit, HN, FB, Youtube, Twitter, each have their own moderation policy, one could simply opt-in to a policy they choose to not necessarily maintained by a single party or an organization, but possible if desired.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by soheil »

TOMDM wrote: post #91
soheil wrote: post #84

A lot of startups/websites exist solely and sometimes to a large extend because there is no standard annotation capability on the web, e.g. Stumbleupon, Reddit, Hackernews! (Medium highlights), comment sections on any page (even NY Times articles!) Sites not having direct control over which comments should stay and surface to the top and which ones should go is going to be huge. In my opinion this will open up the we…

I would argue that the value provided by hackernews and reddit (and possibly stumbleupon? I'm not familiar with it) are content discovery AND comments, a huge value provided by both sites is in the comments, but being able to annotate web pages alone doesn't cover the dicoverability provided by the sites.

I think it's mainly because search engines so far have not had access to annotations, therefore the discovery had to rely primarily on what the consensus is from other properties (to a large extend property owners) about what's important as opposed to what other annotators think is important. So a new and relatively simple search engine could solve that problem.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by Falkon1313 »

This sounds like a great way to reduce spam and trolling. It would give you the choice to see discussion by friends_and_family group, your professional_colleagues group, your casual_social_friends group or whatever instead of by the random_youtube_comment_trolls group. A possible downside would be that the filter bubble and confirmation bias would be web-wide if a user only selects groups that they agree with (as many would be likely to do).

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by wyc »

The online book Real World Haskell[1] has used a more integrated form of annotation via comments directly under each passage. It's pretty fun to observe how the comments play into the content...sometimes they're wonderfully constructive and other times they derail more useful discussion. It'll be exciting to see how these social norms evolve with the technology.

[1] sample chapter, http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/programming-with-monad...

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by fiatjaf »

detaro wrote: post #45
fiatjaf wrote: post #44

Where will be the annotation data stored?

One of the specs is "Web Annotation Protocol—describes the transport mechanisms for creating and managing annotations in a method that is consistent with the Web Architecture and REST best practices." https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-annotation-protocol-20170223/ So I guess they imagine you get an account with some service somewhere and then store your annotations there?

Well, I think that is the entire problem.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by confounded »

tyingq wrote: post #69

Reputation management companies are going to love this. Currently, negative information (even if true) isn't as easily discoverable. This ties it all to every one of your pages. With, as far as I can tell, no direct control over moderation. I suspect many website owners are more concerned about legit complaints that aren't easily discovered than they are about spam. And, once reputation mgmt creeps in, that good (but…

Why care?

All your points could also be made about Twitter.

Avoiding astroturfing is a serious problem, but one that extends way beyond imaginations for this web standard.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by detaro »

fiatjaf wrote: post #97
detaro wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the specs is "Web Annotation Protocol—describes the transport mechanisms for creating and managing annotations in a method that is consistent with the Web Architecture and REST best practices." https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-annotation-protocol-20170223/ So I guess they imagine you get an account with some service somewhere and then store your annotations there?

Well, I think that is the entire problem.

An open protocol gives at least a shot for compatible self-hosted/locally running solutions, assuming client makers actually implement it.
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