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If you were thinking of this as being a cheap CPU for a GPU training rig. It only has 24 PCI Express lanes. It might be better to stick with Xeon CPUs because most have 40 lanes.
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For editing, you want to use the highest possible starting bandwidth (sampling rate * bit width) because every intermediate edit and calculation leads to round-off and other errors. You also need them to be WAVs or some other raw format since you cause minor errors every time you compress + decompress something, not to mention the performance loss. It's the same rationale for doing calculations in full 80-bit or 64-b…
Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to ask. Does OP really need 24 bits because they are producing music professionally? In that case, $100 on the i7->Xeon upgrade is a cheap no-brainer. If they are not producing audio professionally, I'm saying they probably can't tell the difference between 16bit and 24bit audio. Also, you don't cause errors when you compress and decompress using a lossless compression format (as…
That's not how it works. You can totally hear clipping or noise even as an amateur. Just as an amateur photographer first thing first learns to look out for overlit skies and hilights that aren't really recoverable at all unless they perhaps have access to the camera's RAW files. But unlike in photography, in sound work you typically need to process as well as sum multiple recordings, all while not blowing out the peaks that might just happen to line up.
If anything, dealing with the large dynamic range of 24-bit is easier for the amateur. An experienced pro would probably have a good bunch of tricks in his bag should he really have to mix music in 16 bits, enough to produce something that doesn't sound horrible. The amateur would be more likely to struggle.
I just hope this lives up to the hype. I built my last machine using Phenom II X6 1090T but I always regretted it after; as the 6 core advantage that I thought future games will use, never materialized and per core performance of that was not as good as the Intel CPUs of the same generation. Most of the benchmark leaks have focussed on top of the line Ryzens, I would be interested in seeing how the mid level Ryzens a…
You were just ahead of your time :) Multicore advantage for gaming is starting to materialize with Vulkan, mantle, etc.
I just hope this lives up to the hype. I built my last machine using Phenom II X6 1090T but I always regretted it after; as the 6 core advantage that I thought future games will use, never materialized and per core performance of that was not as good as the Intel CPUs of the same generation. Most of the benchmark leaks have focussed on top of the line Ryzens, I would be interested in seeing how the mid level Ryzens a…
You were just ahead of your time :) Multicore advantage for gaming is starting to materialize with Vulkan, mantle, etc.
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Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to ask. Does OP really need 24 bits because they are producing music professionally? In that case, $100 on the i7->Xeon upgrade is a cheap no-brainer. If they are not producing audio professionally, I'm saying they probably can't tell the difference between 16bit and 24bit audio. Also, you don't cause errors when you compress and decompress using a lossless compression format (as…
> If they are not producing audio professionally, I'm saying they probably can't tell the difference between 16bit and 24bit audio. That's not how it works. You can totally hear clipping or noise even as an amateur. Just as an amateur photographer first thing first learns to look out for overlit skies and hilights that aren't really recoverable at all unless they perhaps have access to the camera's RAW files. But unl…
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Not sure, but some gamers are youtubers and they need to process videos. What about having an extra core or two for handling recording and playing live? Those cost serious real time processing.
Extra cores might help with that, Intel Quicksync might be even better or some GPU based video encoding.
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Just saw this, looks like Intel is already dropping prices significantly: http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ If you were on the verge of getting a 7700k or something, it looks like now is the time to buy (or give Ryzen a shot!). Personally I'm willing to pay a bit more to give Ryzen a chance, because hopefully it will lead to sustained competition in this space again. A $500 8-core CPU is more…
> Just saw this, looks like Intel is already dropping prices significantly: http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ Those are Microcenter's normal prices - they have always sold Intel processors significantly under normal pricing as a loss-leader (not sure if it's an actual loss). They will also knock another $30 off if you buy a motherboard at the same time. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/c…
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Most people who believe this is a proven fact have never worked in pro audio and know a lot less about it than they assume. While people here like to quote that infamous looks-like-science-but-isn't Xiph video, the reality is that a lot of professional engineers absolutely can hear the difference. If you have good studio monitors and you know what to listen for the difference between a 24-bit master and a downsampled…
> Dither was developed precisely because naively interpolated or truncated 16-bit audio is audibly inferior to a 24-bit source. Dither was developed because it's technically better. Audibly inferior though? Perhaps, with utterly exceptional source material (e.g. test tones) and when the output gain is high enough for peaks levels to be uncomfortably loud. In reality, many recording studios have a higher ambient noise…
Have you actually heard the difference between simple dither, noise-shaped dither, and non-dithered 16-bit audio? A test tone is the worst possible way to hear what they do.
24-bit audio is used because you want as clean a source as possible.
This also applies to mastering for output at the other end. With the exception of CD and MP3, most audio is delivered as 24-bit WAV at either 44.1, 48, 88, or 96k.
Even vinyl is usually cut from a 24-bit master. Here's a nice overview of what mastering engineers deliver in practice:
https://theproaudiofiles.com/audio-mastering-format-and-deli...
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> If they are not producing audio professionally, I'm saying they probably can't tell the difference between 16bit and 24bit audio. That's not how it works. You can totally hear clipping or noise even as an amateur. Just as an amateur photographer first thing first learns to look out for overlit skies and hilights that aren't really recoverable at all unless they perhaps have access to the camera's RAW files. But unl…
I understand in OPs case, someone else (being a professional) has already recorded and mastered the sound of a real live pipe organ. That person of course benefits from working at 24bit, but once he's done mastering, OP is "just" playing back the mastered audio and should be fine with 16bits, I think.
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I knew some audio engineers who had different cables (cardas copper, pure silver, some others i can't remember) on identical headphones (Beyerdynamic) and everybody agreed you could hear not insignificant differences that they would describe as sharper transients, tubelike saturation etc. I consider that they were pro "engineers", they designed hardware and software for Avid.
Undoubtedly. Such obvious delusions are commonplace and don't necessarily correlate to one's scientific literacy or electrical engineering skills. Such audible differences constitute a testable claim . So far, the number of claims that have withstood reasonable test conditions is zero.